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Dirk
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posted 09-25-2017 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What to think of this set of Apollo 11 autographs on eBay?

Wehaveliftoff
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posted 09-26-2017 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Neil Armstrong hair sample (if true) makes it unique. Steve Zarelli approves of the Collins piece, aka good; the Armstrong signature is approved by James Spence, a red flag, not good. Also disagree with the seller's declaration that a black sharpie resists fading more than blue sharpies.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 09-27-2017 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Aldrin is dedicated to well-known dealer/collector Ed Bomsey.

A later Armstrong, but good in my opinion.

Mike_The_First
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posted 09-27-2017 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wehaveliftoff:
...the Armstrong signature is approved by James Spence, a red flag, not good.
A COA from Spence doesn't mean anything — bad or good. Spence doesn't always get it right, but he's not in the business of only certifying fakes. A good number of non-space collectors utilize the big three (PSA, JSA, and Beckett); just because they aren't as ideal as, say, Zarelli, doesn't mean they're automatically suspect.

There are companies that are only used because they're a good way to get a professional COA attached to a fake item — JSA isn't one of them. It's a neutral, not a red flag.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 09-27-2017 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The hair sample appears to match others I have seen courtesy of a controversial arrangement between Neil's barber and the "hair dealer": much to Neil's disapproval.

Mike_The_First
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posted 09-27-2017 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's where they say it's from (not that it would be from anything else).

Are those actually stemming directly from that arrangement or were they made/sold by a third party buyer of the original hair?

While the hair itself was acquired in the same (despicable) way either way, it's worth noting how removed (if at all) any presentation is from the original acquisition/purchase, since more links in a chain is more of a chance for someone to alter (or switch) an artifact.

SpaceyInMN
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posted 09-27-2017 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceyInMN   Click Here to Email SpaceyInMN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding Sharpie fading, I generally actually agree with the seller that black Sharpies fade less than blue ones. I'm not so sure that the markers in question were actually Sharpie brand and not some other permanent marker, though. Someone like Steve would be much more qualified to say what Neil typically used as far as marker.

Wehaveliftoff
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posted 09-28-2017 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have black sharpies which have smeared and faded with yellow, never has a blue sharpie done that in my 40+ years. The Industrial sharpies are less susceptible to fading.

The new Sharpie "Extreme" pens are supposed to hold up the best, though I have not bought or tried those yet.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-28-2017 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back in 2003, Doug Henry (Astrodoug) tested six different Sharpie color pens, putting "one test batch in a dark drawer and the second in a south-facing window." After 18 days, here were his results (the sun exposed sample is on the left):

Mike Dixon
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posted 09-28-2017 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All comes down to protection I guess, but lost count of blue sharpies that just don't hold up.

Mike_The_First
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posted 09-29-2017 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I read it as more of an awkwardly worded comment about Neil's autograph being bold and black instead of that faint blue that we're all familiar with, rather than an universal indictment of blue ink.

I just think that it was a clumsy attempt to separate the Neil autograph from the herd while pointing out that the other two autographs are also bold/black.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 09-29-2017 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
The hair sample appears to match others I have seen courtesy of a controversial arrangement between Neil's barber and the "hair dealer": much to Neil's disapproval.

Considering the source of the hair sample and how it was obtained, I wouldn't want it in my home. A nice group of photos, but I would trash the hair sample.

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