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Topic: 282668189698: Apollo 11 autographs set
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Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 09-25-2017 03:32 PM
What to think of this set of Apollo 11 autographs on eBay? |
Wehaveliftoff Member Posts: 2343 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-26-2017 01:00 PM
The Neil Armstrong hair sample (if true) makes it unique. Steve Zarelli approves of the Collins piece, aka good; the Armstrong signature is approved by James Spence, a red flag, not good. Also disagree with the seller's declaration that a black sharpie resists fading more than blue sharpies. |
Steve Zarelli Member Posts: 731 From: Upstate New York, USA Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 09-27-2017 08:27 AM
The Aldrin is dedicated to well-known dealer/collector Ed Bomsey.A later Armstrong, but good in my opinion. |
Mike_The_First Member Posts: 436 From: USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 09-27-2017 04:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Wehaveliftoff: ...the Armstrong signature is approved by James Spence, a red flag, not good.
A COA from Spence doesn't mean anything — bad or good. Spence doesn't always get it right, but he's not in the business of only certifying fakes. A good number of non-space collectors utilize the big three (PSA, JSA, and Beckett); just because they aren't as ideal as, say, Zarelli, doesn't mean they're automatically suspect.There are companies that are only used because they're a good way to get a professional COA attached to a fake item — JSA isn't one of them. It's a neutral, not a red flag. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4167 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 09-27-2017 05:18 PM
The hair sample appears to match others I have seen courtesy of a controversial arrangement between Neil's barber and the "hair dealer": much to Neil's disapproval. |
Mike_The_First Member Posts: 436 From: USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 09-27-2017 05:48 PM
That's where they say it's from (not that it would be from anything else).Are those actually stemming directly from that arrangement or were they made/sold by a third party buyer of the original hair? While the hair itself was acquired in the same (despicable) way either way, it's worth noting how removed (if at all) any presentation is from the original acquisition/purchase, since more links in a chain is more of a chance for someone to alter (or switch) an artifact. |
SpaceyInMN Member Posts: 355 From: Andover, MN Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 09-27-2017 11:02 PM
Regarding Sharpie fading, I generally actually agree with the seller that black Sharpies fade less than blue ones. I'm not so sure that the markers in question were actually Sharpie brand and not some other permanent marker, though. Someone like Steve would be much more qualified to say what Neil typically used as far as marker. |
Wehaveliftoff Member Posts: 2343 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-28-2017 05:13 PM
I have black sharpies which have smeared and faded with yellow, never has a blue sharpie done that in my 40+ years. The Industrial sharpies are less susceptible to fading.The new Sharpie "Extreme" pens are supposed to hold up the best, though I have not bought or tried those yet. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-28-2017 05:27 PM
Back in 2003, Doug Henry (Astrodoug) tested six different Sharpie color pens, putting "one test batch in a dark drawer and the second in a south-facing window." After 18 days, here were his results (the sun exposed sample is on the left): |
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1397 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 09-28-2017 06:41 PM
All comes down to protection I guess, but lost count of blue sharpies that just don't hold up. |
Mike_The_First Member Posts: 436 From: USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 09-29-2017 12:09 AM
Personally, I read it as more of an awkwardly worded comment about Neil's autograph being bold and black instead of that faint blue that we're all familiar with, rather than an universal indictment of blue ink.I just think that it was a clumsy attempt to separate the Neil autograph from the herd while pointing out that the other two autographs are also bold/black. |
Steve Zarelli Member Posts: 731 From: Upstate New York, USA Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 09-29-2017 08:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn: The hair sample appears to match others I have seen courtesy of a controversial arrangement between Neil's barber and the "hair dealer": much to Neil's disapproval.
Considering the source of the hair sample and how it was obtained, I wouldn't want it in my home. A nice group of photos, but I would trash the hair sample. |