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Topic: Neil Armstrong autograph opinion
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gliderpilotuk Member Posts: 3398 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-12-2016 04:50 PM
Would appreciate any thoughts on this: |
Steve Zarelli Member Posts: 731 From: Upstate New York, USA Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-13-2016 06:07 AM
Horrendous fake. |
mikeh Member Posts: 147 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted 05-20-2016 02:43 PM
I know folks don't like to tip off forgers by posting details, and I agree with that 100%. However, some generalities about what you don't like would be nice for those of us still trying to learn. What makes this a horrendous fake, other than, in my opinion, the "Y"? Emails welcome. |
Steve Zarelli Member Posts: 731 From: Upstate New York, USA Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-20-2016 03:16 PM
"Horrendous" may be a slight overstatement, but it is a style I have seen many times before and it feels like a needle in the eye.For starters, the "eil" is way off and the A is malformed. The Y formation looks like a bent open clothes hanger. Angles are all off. While it is not so slow it's wobbly, the speed and pressure look off and there is no natural "bounce" or signs of flicking quickly from one part to the next. The key is looking at many authentic examples to train your eye and learn the "feel." Sometimes the "shape" can be very close and it's hard to point out glaring flaws, but the "feel" is all wrong. |
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1397 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-20-2016 06:46 PM
"Horrendous" was in fact the right call Steve.Looks okay to the untrained eye but there is not one letter in that signature that I'd trust. Sweep is wrong as well. |
liftoff1 Member Posts: 235 From: Cumberland, Wisconsin Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 05-20-2016 07:15 PM
Steve... you are THE MAN!! |
mikeh Member Posts: 147 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted 05-21-2016 11:41 AM
Thanks Steve. Next level stuff. To me this looks similar to some of the late 60's early 70's exemplars. For example: 1 | 2. When I said the "Y" I really meant the "G", at the end which has a "y" shape. The formation and angle are something I can easily see as being way off. However when you look at some of those early '70s signatures where he seemed fairly soft on the "G" you can almost convince yourself that it is possibly okay. As far as the "eil" goes, looking closer the slant of the three together does look like is going in the wrong direction. Beyond that I can't tell. The formation of the "A" well, damn I can't see anything obvious except maybe the "bulb" at the top isn't as shapely as it should be. Its almost too straight. But again, nothing that jumps out to me and screams "bogus." The problem I have is that like you said, I go primarily by the shape, and by fluidity vs shakiness, at a high level. Armstrong had a lot of variation over the years in the shape that there are examples that come close. The thing about this particular forgery to me is that that it doesn't seem to have overly harsh start and stops or shakiness that I've seen in others There is some speed and flare off at the end. But what you are picking up is, like I said, next level stuff. Quite amazing eye you have there Steve. Thanks for what you do, and for your insight in what to look for. |