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Topic: More space dealers or space collectors?
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Daniel Lazecky Member Posts: 480 From: Czech Republic-Europe Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-24-2016 06:04 AM
Is there anybody in the local community of collectors spaceflight, who will be able to replace the material? May not only be buying a business for sale, too. As it seems it's more of a collector as well.What is the opinion from you unless it is a material change. Autographs, photographs, lithographs and contemporary material, too? Your opinion interests me. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-24-2016 06:19 AM
Daniel, I'm not sure but are you asking if we collect with the eventual aim to resell for profit or collect for fun? |
Daniel Lazecky Member Posts: 480 From: Czech Republic-Europe Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-24-2016 06:29 AM
Yes! Who and how. Who prefers exchange? Who prefers buying/selling well. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-24-2016 06:38 AM
Well for myself it is a mixture of both.I'm a retailer, but as a collector I buy flown items because I love the history. I'll sell them all one day, and on that day I would like to see a significant return (who wouldn't?) but collecting is a passion and one that I thoroughly enjoy. In truth, for me it is more about the preservation of history — for instance, I would never sell a piece to someone with a history of damaging artefacts, i.e. dividing up checklists, because the historical value is more important to me than the financial aspect. We're only temporary custodians of these artefacts, so it is our duty to preserve them as best we can for the next generation. |
GACspaceguy Member Posts: 2475 From: Guyton, GA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-24-2016 06:58 AM
For me I buy to add to the Kollection but very rarely sell (as a matter of I can't even remember selling, but may have overt he last few decades), but will always entertain a trade. |
Daniel Lazecky Member Posts: 480 From: Czech Republic-Europe Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-24-2016 07:18 AM
And thus replacing piece by piece as well, or by appointment replacement? Everything must revolve around funding? |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 873 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-24-2016 08:47 AM
I also agree with we're only temporary custodians of these artifacts, so it is our duty to preserve them as best we can for the next generation. I collect because I love it but sometimes you end up with more than one of an item and it is my goal to someday have one of everything space (although not realistic). I will often sell off extras or duplicates to finance new additions to my collection. Profit or loss is not as big an issue as acquiring new historic artifacts as that is what drives my passion. My wife tells me I an not a collector but an obsessed hoarder of space memorabilia. I like to think I am not a hoarder so much as a collector obsessed with space memorabilia and trying to preserve the items I have in the condition I receive them for the next generation of enthusiasts. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-24-2016 09:29 AM
I think trading is very useful, so long as both objects are of equal financial value. Though there have been times where someone has offered me a trade where what they offer me is worth more than what they want for me, but I always make that clear — not everyone can be an expert at pricing. But as you do Chuck, some people don't think about the monetary side when trading — still, I always feel the need to point it out from a moral perspective.I don't usually end up with duplicates, but that is always a good way to fund/trade for other pieces. |
ea757grrl Member Posts: 729 From: South Carolina Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-24-2016 06:39 PM
I collect what I love because I love it and it's significant to me, and also in order to preserve a little bit of that history. I don't collect with an eye toward monetary value. Most of what I have isn't worth much money, but its significance to me is deep.I would rather give a piece for free to someone who will cherish it, or to some organization that will preserve it and make it available to researchers or put it on display, than make a large sum selling it to someone who I'm not sure will see it in the same light. I'm not allergic to the money, but I'm the object's current custodian and I want to make sure the next custodian values the object same as I do. If I make money in the process, that's nice, but it's not my primary motivation. |
One Big Monkey Member Posts: 169 From: West Yorkshire, UK Registered: Jul 2012
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posted 04-25-2016 01:06 AM
I'm with the poster above - I collect stuff because I'm fascinated by the subject and want to have pieces that mean something. I don't have a big budget so a lot of what I have are lucky finds or low value things that are the nonetheless interesting - first day covers are a prime example.Likewise my collection of autographed things - I don't have an eye on the monetary value of an object once it's signed, it just makes them more cool! |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 873 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-25-2016 05:30 AM
The only problem with our thinking is there is no way to know what the next person will do with an item. Once it leaves your possession the new owner may cut it up, throw it away or preserve it for the next owner. Even museums sell off excess items they can not use in there collections or can not displays. But back to the thread I will always buy, sell or trade for any item that fits in to my collection. It is what makes my life fun. |
moonnut Member Posts: 248 From: Andover, MN Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 04-25-2016 06:15 AM
I collect for the love of all that's space. For instance when I look at a flown piece I think of where it has been and its purpose to the mission and it sparks my curiosity. When I look at autographs I think of the person that signed it and what they have accomplished. I suppose it's way to live vicariously through the items cause I know that I may never get to space. To look down on earth from above. I would much rather meet the astronaut than get a signature.... but a signature is a reminder of the moment. I collect because I love it, but I will also sell items. And believe me, it almost always goes to some other collecting endeavor. |
fredtrav Member Posts: 1673 From: Birmingham AL Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 04-25-2016 10:15 AM
I too collect because the things have meaning to me. I do not collect with an eye to making money in the future. I know I have several items that even if offered 10 times what I paid for them, I would not sell them.I do sell an occasional book or signed item. If I find an exceptional value on item I already have or can upgrade say a non-signed book to a signed book, I will sell the first one to pay for the second. Or if I buy a lot of several books and some of them are what I already have, I will sell them. Or to upgrade an autograph with a better example, I will sell the first, but in general, I do not sell items. |
Wehaveliftoff Member Posts: 2343 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 04-25-2016 11:59 PM
Astronauts I prefer to trade, getting them is the best part/challenge. I have hundreds of music, actors, athletes, others' autographs. Honestly would love to sell non-astronauts but too lazy to join eBay, etc. |
drifting to the right Member Posts: 114 From: SW La. Registered: Aug 2006
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posted 04-26-2016 02:34 PM
I too collect mostly for the sheer enjoyment, and the palpable connection to the most important historical event in my lifetime (Apollo). Likewise, there is no desire on my part to sell, despite substantial appreciation of many items. Interestingly, Uncle Sam is on my side currently tax wise. (Any accountant types out there please correct me if mistaken.) As I understand current tax law, if I sell at profit now, the capital gain on appreciated collectibles, no matter how long held (i.e., no long term discount for greater than one year) stands at 28 percent. However, if it remains part of my estate through the lives of me and my wife, the cost basis is no longer the purchase price, but becomes the value at the time of the death of the surviving spouse. Of course, that means the heirs would need either to get an appraisal at that time or else sell soon after dispersal. I have left detailed instructions in these regards to our grown children, and now sit back and enjoy the collection until either: (1) I croak, (2) Congress changes the law, or (3) our taxable estate exceeds $5M. So now I'm a "hoarder with a plan!" Off topic a little, the guy who led off this post, Daniel Lazecky from the Czech Republic, is a superb fellow. Though his English is a bit fractured, he is a dedicated space collector with very interesting stories. He grew up when his country was ruled by communists, and was punished for his U.S. space collecting efforts, yet put together a nice collection. Also he was on an ground-to- air missile crew about the same time I was flying nap of earth in Huey's and Cobras. We were direct enemies! He now repairs heavy equipment in a coal mine, and is thus on a limited budget. I encourage you to email him your support. |
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1397 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 04-26-2016 07:00 PM
Daniel is a great person and I'm honoured to call him a friend. |
Daniel Lazecky Member Posts: 480 From: Czech Republic-Europe Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-27-2016 06:18 AM
Friends, colleagues and collectors as well, thank you for your response. It is interesting to read your opinion of collecting. Thank you for your support of Mike Dixon and drifting to the right. It is my great honor to know them well. Very nice people, and they're all great comfort. Yes my poor English. I collect for pleasure. Sometimes I glean from the year 1979th.Here in former Czechoslovakia were not many options. As a little boy I collected and edited out of newspaper and magazine articles that appeared in our country. My first letters were directed to request an autograph were sometimes in 1980. This was the first letter to NASA and Star City. From the first NASA lithograph crew of STS-1 Columbia Autopen. From Russia it was G.S.Titov real signature. Then came a few letter from NASA and I was very cheerful and happy. I have about 4 years did not know that I come from the US Autopen. I strongly believed that it was all authentic. For us, this field is almost not collect. Over time, everything changed for the better until the present day as well. My problems began when I wrote Mr. Glenn J.H. and H.H. Schmitt. Here are my correspondence became interested in the state police as well. Both envelopes had come to press Washington, D.C. White House. And it was a fuss. Both shipments had to take over and open under police surveillance. Then it began interfering with my correspondence to the US. Of shipments in large envelopes were collected materials. Sometimes it came only a blank envelope with a stamp patched back. I hope that I understand how you must be gathered with us, and how easy it was there for you. Here was a great connoisseur of Space Flight. He named Antonin Vitek. This is a very wonderful man, but is no longer among us. I am of the opinion that when people routinely corresponded — corresponded, it was better. Everything went like by itself. I knew many collectors colleagues who have mutually exchanged things, and also got a lot of help without financial reward as well. It was very friendly. I still very much appreciate such friends. I can not name them all. That's because I have offended anyone. Their friendship highly appreciated. A big compliment from their humanity as well. With the advent of the Internet, everything turned. I feel that today is a lot to all trading autographs. Therefore, my question to your community. |
schnappsicle Member Posts: 396 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 04-28-2016 07:26 AM
I began collecting astronaut autographs back in 1970 when I sent Dave Scott a few photos I had printed at the drug store. I lived a mile from JSC. One weekend I walked there and bought a strip of slides from the gift shop. I took the slides to the drug store across the street and they made small prints of each of them for me. Those are the photos I sent to Scott. I got his address when my mother drove me by his house a week after he returned from the moon. He was standing in his front yard wearing only shorts talking to his next door neighbor, Richard Gordon. My mother refused to stop to let me get out and ask for an autograph. Instead, I wrote down the house number. I already had the street name memorized. After I got home, I put the photos in an envelope and mailed them to his house asking him to sign them for me. Several weeks later, I got a letter in the mail. When I opened it, Scott had signed all three of my photos. Had he not been so generous, I most likely would not be a collector today. After that, I flipped through my phone book and wrote several other astronauts. Every one of them was very willing to sign my photos, all except for one. My lucky break came when I sent photos to Rusty Schwieckart. He sent the photos back unsigned with a card that said something to the effect that he doesn't sign anything sent to his house. He provided his NASA JSC address and said he would be happy to sign them if I sent them to that address. I did as he requested and he signed all the photos I sent him, some of them twice. I wish I still had the card he sent me in his initial response. I would love to have him sign it. Using the address I got from Schwieckart, I continued to collect through the mail for the next four years. The last thing I got was a full ASTP autographed crew photo. I still have every one of those photos. It wasn't until about 10 years ago that I realized my collection had value. I didn't think of it in those terms before that. When I saw what was available for sale at places like Astronaut Central and Farthest Reaches, I began buying photos that I could not get when I was a teenager. It has only been recently that I've been able to appreciate how lucky I was to get them when I did. I have at least one autographed photo of the first 43 astronauts (Shepard's Mercury flight to STS-1) to fly in space. I have most of them hanging proudly on my wall. They greet me when I come home every night. I can't look at them without smiling. I'm happy not only for my collection, but I vividly remember the moment when most of those photos were taken. They take me back to a time when America could do anything. A time when space was new and every mission stretched the limits of human endurance and knowledge. I've been lucky in that my daughter also appreciates my collection. She's asked me many times the story behind this photo and that photo. Why did you want that one? What does it mean to you? Those are the questions she's asked me, and I was more than happy to answer them all. I even took her with me to Spacefest 3. When we left Tucson, she said she felt like every astronaut there was her grandfather. They all treated her like their own. She got far better treatment than I did, and I couldn't be happier for her. I've only sold two of the more than 300 photos in my collection. A lot of them are worth significantly more than what I paid for them, but like most people here, I collect for the love of all things space, not for profit. I just turned 60 and the only way I'll ever sell any of my photos is if I lost my job and had no other choice. Until then, I'll treasure the memories each of them gives me. |
Daniel Lazecky Member Posts: 480 From: Czech Republic-Europe Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 04-28-2016 08:04 AM
To member schnappsicle: SUPER!
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