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Topic: Adding signature to Gemini print (Pawn Stars)
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milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 10-26-2015 06:57 PM
I just purchased the Gemini signed picture that had been featured on Pawn Stars. Got nearly as good a deal as Rick did! My question: I am going to ASF's Space Rendezvous in two weeks and am going to add Richard Gordon. Do you think I should use blue or black ink? Is there a recommended brand of pen? Thanks for the help.
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-26-2015 07:50 PM
Nice pickup!Personally, I don't know if I would add more signatures to this piece because a modern autograph might stand out from the vintage signatures. All of the astronauts' autographs have changed over the years (some more than others), and to me, part of the charm of this piece is that it is contemporary to the program. That said, the best decision is whatever makes you the most happy. If you do decide to have Gordon sign, I think the color is less important than finding a pen of similar weight to the other autographs. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 10-26-2015 08:02 PM
Thanks! Yeah I kind of have my heart set on adding Gordon and McDivitt and make this as near complete as possible (minus Cooper). Finding the right pen will be difficult though. Hoping someone here might have a suggestion. |
SkyMan1958 Member Posts: 867 From: CA. Registered: Jan 2011
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posted 10-26-2015 11:37 PM
Personally I would add McDivitt and Gordon too. As you say, that makes it almost totally complete. |
kosmo Member Posts: 388 From: Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 10-27-2015 04:01 AM
You are going to be adding the modern writing style of the astronauts to a vintage piece and its still not going to be complete, leave it like it is! |
stsmithva Member Posts: 1933 From: Fairfax, VA, USA Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 10-27-2015 05:55 AM
For what it's worth, I bought a large Astronaut Group 3 photo a couple of years ago that was signed by all of them. Only one of the signatures had faded badly - the rest were quite dark, and his was just gone. The signer was still alive, and at a signing event a friend asked if he could sign it again, and if he could possibly sign it in his vintage style. He absolutely nailed it. Admittedly his autograph hadn't changed too much over the years, so it wasn't that much of an adjustment, but it's possible that Gordon and McDivitt could do the same thing. I'll always be glad I asked. Even if the signature(s) you add are a little different than how they would have signed 50 years ago, it's still them signing it, and if you have them use the same kind of thin pen it will be hard to see that they signed it that much later. It will also make an interesting story of how you got it even better. So I say go for it. |
Panther494 Member Posts: 402 From: London UK Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 10-27-2015 08:05 AM
Go with what you want and will make you happy. Personally I'd not use Sharpies, the ink will ruin the vintage look even if the signature is in the vintage style. The Fisher Space pens may be an idea, black or blue would work but I think the black would fit better. Good luck. Please post a picture when you've completed it. |
Gilbert Member Posts: 1328 From: Carrollton, GA USA Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-27-2015 08:28 AM
I would add the two signatures, just try to match them with the vintage signatures as close as possible. |
TLIGuy Member Posts: 205 From: Virginia Registered: Jul 2013
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posted 10-27-2015 08:47 AM
I know I should probably refrain form answering because this whole autograph thing is fairly new to me, but here is my two cents.If were adding the additional two signatures I would look at the total number of signatures now by color and do my best to balance them. Looking at what is there now, the black signatures outnumber the blue signatures so I would choose blue to balance the total color composition of the whole piece. As far was what pen to use, I would source a NOS vintage early to mid-60's pen. Not knowing where and how the piece was signed there is a possibility it was signed with a good old fashion US government skillcraft pen. I believe any modern ink is going to look odd, out of place, and would become the focal point of the piece detracting form the image and the other signatures as a whole. Also, if you are asking for a vintage period correct autograph style it would make sense (to me) to use a period correct ink. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 10-27-2015 12:40 PM
While I would seriously consider leaving this piece alone in order to retain it's all-vintage status, I can also understand the urge to add McDivitt and Gordon, because you'd also be completing the Gemini IV and XI crews.Like others said, if you do get it signed, go for a similar style pen with similar line-weight and color. (I don't think I'd go as far as tracking down a vintage 60s pen. An old pen might be problematic when it comes to ink flow at the crucial moment.) Test out the pen(s) a lot before the signing on a similar style of writing surface. You don't want to have "pen issues" when the signatures are being applied. Also, I think signature placement here is very important. While it might be tempting to add the new signatures in the space at the top of the photo (i.e. adding McDivitt above White), I think I would add them in the white cloud below Aldrin's signature. The eye naturally gravitates first to the top signatures on this photo and I'd hate to add much clutter around the beautiful vintage signatures (especially the nice Ed White signature). Also, if the end result is somehow a little less-than-perfect, the signatures in the plume cloud will not be the main focal point of this piece. Finally, resist any temptation to add mission details below the new signatures. While that's a fairly common practice for new signings, it would do nothing but detract on a piece like this. Stick with a basic signature and nothing more. |
kosmo Member Posts: 388 From: Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 10-27-2015 05:11 PM
All the autographs have aged (faded) over time, any autographs you add now, whether in blue ink or black ink, are going to stand out and look added. |
Wehaveliftoff Member Posts: 2343 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 10-27-2015 06:10 PM
As I always say, the more the merrier. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 10-27-2015 07:28 PM
Thanks for the replies. I think I am going to do it. The trick now is just finding the right pen. I'll keep everyone posted how it is going |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4167 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 10-27-2015 07:39 PM
Might I suggest you get photos of McDivitt and Gordon holding the piece after each has signed it?When you bought the piece from the Pawn brokers how willing were they to negotiate a selling price? |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 10-28-2015 06:55 AM
Rick, oh yeah, I will be getting pictures for sure. Gordon is coming up. Hopefully I'll be able to make it to Tucson next summer for McDivitt.I ended up getting this off a seller in Illinois for not much more then the Pawn Stars paid. Not sure what happened there but it worked out great for me. |
MarylandSpace Member Posts: 1336 From: Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-28-2015 09:28 AM
I have several Rasmussen Space Prints signed with pencil.cSers, would pencil be a good choice as it might look like the faded pen? I also agree that the clouds may be a good choice as to where to sign. |
Dan Lorraine Member Posts: 373 From: Cranston, R.I. Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-28-2015 10:16 AM
Most limited editions prints are now signed with pencil because they don't fade. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 10-28-2015 03:55 PM
I advise against using pencil on this piece. It will not be a good match for the existing signatures and could potentially detract from the piece. Stick with pen, if you wish to gather more signatures. |
Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1306 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 10-28-2015 04:45 PM
Yes, defiantly go for it. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 10-28-2015 06:03 PM
Awesome, yeah I'm going to try out pens at Staples this weekend. Should be pretty fun. Also I'm thinking of removing the sticker on the bottom as that company is not reliable as a third party authenticator. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 10-29-2015 02:54 PM
Finally got the litho in hand. Have officially decided to get Gordon and McDivitt on it in black ink on the cloud below Aldrin. Will post pictures when this happens. |
MarylandSpace Member Posts: 1336 From: Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 10-29-2015 07:54 PM
I thought pencil might look like faded ink. I agree that the cloud area looks to be the best area to sign. What a nice piece. |
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1397 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 10-29-2015 09:23 PM
Have to agree with the pencil ... colored of course. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 11-09-2015 06:30 PM
My brother just got back from Space Rendezvous and here is the litho with Gordon on it. Not bad if perhaps a little dark. Signing it on the cloud was a good idea as I think that background makes it stand out less.
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mach3valkyrie Member Posts: 719 From: Albany, Oregon Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 11-09-2015 07:15 PM
Nicely done. What a great piece of space history. I'm a big fan of Gemini anyway. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 11-09-2015 08:40 PM
Thanks, it was nerve racking but I'm glad I did it. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1211 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 11-10-2015 07:12 PM
I think you have done something awesome with that. Did you get McDivitt? |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 11-10-2015 07:41 PM
Thanks! Not yet. It's going to be tough for me to get to Tucson next summer so I'm not sure it's going to happen. |
Jonnyed Member Posts: 396 From: Dumfries, VA, USA Registered: Aug 2014
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posted 11-13-2015 07:21 PM
Cool photos of Dick Gordon.I didn't realize his signature had such an unusual and distinctive "R" to begin the "Richard." Very unique and it's probably somewhat an artifact of his left-handedness. |