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Topic: Identifying the individual in photo S-66-41264
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billewald
Member Posts: 89
From: Stafford, VA, USA
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 03-23-2015 10:02 AM
   
This is NASA black serial number photo S-66-41264. Can someone please identify the person in the photo? Thanks so much. |
YankeeClipper
Member Posts: 617
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 03-26-2015 11:57 AM
If it helps narrow things down, S-66-41235 was taken on 1966-07-01 during Gemini 10 preflight activity at Kennedy Space Center. |
MOL
Member Posts: 98
From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 03-26-2015 12:20 PM
KSC? The console and the side railing shown sure appears to be one of the FCRs in Houston at MSC. |
J.L
Member Posts: 674
From: Bloomington, Illinois, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted 03-26-2015 02:10 PM
Not sure who this is, but definitely at MSC. That S66 ID number also back that up.I also want to warn folks about dates on NASA prints. A large percentage of them are "approximate" dates. Mercury image dates are almost useless. Not saying all are wrong, but it helps to know when specific events took place. |
J.L
Member Posts: 674
From: Bloomington, Illinois, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted 03-26-2015 02:26 PM
Some added info regarding dates on NASA prints.I quizzed the great MSC/JSC NASA image guru Mike Gentry about this issue once. He said that many times the negatives would enter the system at MSC and be dated when the photographer turned his film in. Sometimes this would be weeks after an image was shot. So, you see the problem here. |
Blackarrow
Member Posts: 3120
From: Belfast, United Kingdom
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 03-26-2015 05:02 PM
The name that springs to mind is Robert Overmyer. |
moorouge
Member Posts: 2454
From: U.K.
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 03-26-2015 05:07 PM
Having spent some time with Bob I'm inclined to agree with Geoffrey. |
YankeeClipper
Member Posts: 617
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 03-26-2015 06:17 PM
Based on this Air&Space magazine article profile photo of Bob Overmyer, I would concur.Overmyer was selected as part of USAF MOL Group 2 on 17 June 1966, so may have been watching Gemini 10 preflight/launch activity. |
billewald
Member Posts: 89
From: Stafford, VA, USA
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 03-28-2015 09:37 AM
Thank you all for the interesting conversation and the insight to this photo. |
J.L
Member Posts: 674
From: Bloomington, Illinois, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted 03-28-2015 09:40 AM
Still trying to ID this gentleman. Some retired MSC people looking at it. It is thought to be a "Network Controller". |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 2914
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-28-2015 09:59 AM
Maybe its just me, but I just can't see a resemblance to a young Bob Overmyer here. Certainly appears to be a control console area (perhaps FIDO?) at the MCC, but I would need to check more of my own MCC photos from Houston, though I am limited with MSC/JSC-MCC photos as this. But J.L., I know, you must have lots of MCC-related photos in your vast photographic and film holdings! Anything new to report? There might even be a photo file of MCC itself with photo areas of each console row or something. I do recall having something like this, but with no actual photos of each console, just a printed drawing schematic. Perhaps identifying the console itself might in some way help to later identify the person in this depiction. |
YankeeClipper
Member Posts: 617
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 03-29-2015 10:06 AM
One method of facial analysis would be to measure distances from multiple fixed points on facial features in one photo and cross-compare to another photo's facial data.I haven't done this with the original photo and the Air&Space magazine photo of Overmyer. I did look closely, however, at the distinctive ear structure, hairlines, nasal structure, and eye region and thought Overmyer a close match, allowing for some variance over time. He was also married, as is the photo subject. I could, of course, be wrong. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-29-2015 12:41 PM
Based on the background (the location of the pillar and rail) this appears to have been the CONTROL console at the far right of the second row. CONTROL oversaw guidance and navigation for the lunar module.I don't have a complete list of CONTROL flight controllers but some who filled that role include Larry Strimple, Hal Loden and Dick Thorson. |
heng44
Member Posts: 3387
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-29-2015 02:53 PM
This photo (S65-60040, cropped) seem to show the same man. He is identified as Ernest L. Randall monitoring the network control console in Mission Control during Gemini 7. |
heng44
Member Posts: 3387
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-29-2015 02:55 PM
On second thought I am not so sure it is the same guy. |
YankeeClipper
Member Posts: 617
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 03-30-2015 04:44 PM
I think the nose is too straight and the earlobes don't descend far enough to match the original photo subject. |
MOL
Member Posts: 98
From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 03-30-2015 07:34 PM
I contacted one of my former managers at JSC in the Flight Control division at JSC who began there during Apollo. Below are his comments. Note that the position was "Network" during Gemini, which became Control for Apollo. Could be Ernie. I saw him at Chuck Capps' memorial the other day. He was a Network and that looks about where the Network position was at that time. That is on the right side of the MOCR, probably the second row from the top, which is where Network was at that time. On the other hand, I recognized him in the color picture at the bottom but his name did not jump to mind on the B&W pic at the top. Note that in the color pic, his earplug was in the left ear while on the B&W, it was on the right. If you pick off and enlarge the photos I think the nose and ear shapes are a little different but it's close. The top row on the right side had the DoD representative. The third row down on that side was the LM Control and Telcom/TelMU once Apollo got going; not sure who was there at the start of Gemini. Fourth row down was the Trench. |
YankeeClipper
Member Posts: 617
From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 05-26-2017 09:53 PM
Based on this image, F. Curt Michel might be another possibility. |
Wehaveliftoff
Member Posts: 2343
From:
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 05-26-2017 11:31 PM
My vote is for Bob Overmyer. |
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