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Topic: 271440956763: American flag flown on SOFIA
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jonspace
Member Posts: 169
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Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-10-2014 04:07 PM
   
I recently purchased this from eBay (271440956763) and received it today. The certificate I received looks different than the one from the listing, and the signatures are printed on. Is this real or did I receive a fake item? I can't seem to find any other information online.  |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-10-2014 04:40 PM
The certificate is definitely different. Did you contact the seller?On a related note, the listing makes no mention of authentic, original signatures. |
Michael Clemente
Member Posts: 186
From: Atco, New Jersey, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 04-10-2014 05:01 PM
The seller is Tony Landis. Believe me, all his stuff is legit. If he said it was flown, it was flown. I've been dealing with Tony for years and never had a problem. The certificate may be a copy of the original but the flag was flown. |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-10-2014 05:15 PM
The certificate is not a copy of the original that was presented in the eBay listing. Look at the NASA logo in the upper left hand corner. |
Michael Clemente
Member Posts: 186
From: Atco, New Jersey, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 04-10-2014 05:22 PM
There were probably different versions of the certificate made. He might of received one of the other versions. Sometimes Tony has the NASA logo in different locations on the certificate and different versions of the logo. |
jonspace
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posted 04-10-2014 05:25 PM
Website looks okay (same certificate as received). Wonder why it was changed on the eBay listing?
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Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-10-2014 05:26 PM
Why create different versions of certificates when only 25 flags were flown? |
X-Plane Fan
Member Posts: 150
From: CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted 04-10-2014 05:48 PM
The logo was changed at the request of an individual at NASA who explained the the meatball is not to be used for unofficial items such as this. As a regular seller on eBay, I would appreciate it if you would contact me for the explanation rather than post your concern on a public forum. I'm glad to answer any questions from my customers. |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-10-2014 05:54 PM
In defense of the buyer, if the presented certificate in the original listing matched what he received, then this posting most likely would never have been made. |
jonspace
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Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-10-2014 06:22 PM
So does that mean the original certificate has real signatures or are they reprints as well? I love this mission and the flag I purchased but I want to make sure the flag and certificate are genuine. |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 977
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-10-2014 06:53 PM
You should not expect your certificate to include real, original, authentic signatures since the eBay listing did not advertise as such. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 04-11-2014 10:25 AM
Tony is a great person to work with and his stuff is genuine. Rarely do the certificates have real signatures. Look at the flown shuttle flags, they mostly have preprinted signatures, same for a lot of the Apollo flown flags. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 04-11-2014 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by fredtrav:
Tony is a great person to work with and his stuff is genuine. Rarely do the certificates have real signatures. Look at the flown shuttle flags, they mostly have preprinted signatures, same for a lot of the Apollo flown flags.
The key difference is surely that the official NASA presentations with printed signatures are produced on behalf of - and with signatures reproduced with the implicit agreement of - the astronauts/signees. If these certificates are being produced with the explicit agreement of Fullerton and Brockett then I see no problem here. On the other hand if it's being done without their permission that would be a serious issue. |
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