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jonspace
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posted 04-10-2014 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonspace   Click Here to Email jonspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently purchased this from eBay (271440956763) and received it today. The certificate I received looks different than the one from the listing, and the signatures are printed on.

Is this real or did I receive a fake item? I can't seem to find any other information online.

Greggy_D
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posted 04-10-2014 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The certificate is definitely different. Did you contact the seller?

On a related note, the listing makes no mention of authentic, original signatures.

Michael Clemente
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posted 04-10-2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Clemente   Click Here to Email Michael Clemente     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The seller is Tony Landis.

Believe me, all his stuff is legit. If he said it was flown, it was flown. I've been dealing with Tony for years and never had a problem.

The certificate may be a copy of the original but the flag was flown.

Greggy_D
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posted 04-10-2014 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The certificate is not a copy of the original that was presented in the eBay listing. Look at the NASA logo in the upper left hand corner.

Michael Clemente
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posted 04-10-2014 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Clemente   Click Here to Email Michael Clemente     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were probably different versions of the certificate made. He might of received one of the other versions. Sometimes Tony has the NASA logo in different locations on the certificate and different versions of the logo.

jonspace
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posted 04-10-2014 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonspace   Click Here to Email jonspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Website looks okay (same certificate as received). Wonder why it was changed on the eBay listing?

Greggy_D
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posted 04-10-2014 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why create different versions of certificates when only 25 flags were flown?

X-Plane Fan
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posted 04-10-2014 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for X-Plane Fan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The logo was changed at the request of an individual at NASA who explained the the meatball is not to be used for unofficial items such as this.

As a regular seller on eBay, I would appreciate it if you would contact me for the explanation rather than post your concern on a public forum. I'm glad to answer any questions from my customers.

Greggy_D
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posted 04-10-2014 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In defense of the buyer, if the presented certificate in the original listing matched what he received, then this posting most likely would never have been made.

jonspace
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posted 04-10-2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonspace   Click Here to Email jonspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So does that mean the original certificate has real signatures or are they reprints as well? I love this mission and the flag I purchased but I want to make sure the flag and certificate are genuine.

Greggy_D
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posted 04-10-2014 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should not expect your certificate to include real, original, authentic signatures since the eBay listing did not advertise as such.

fredtrav
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posted 04-11-2014 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tony is a great person to work with and his stuff is genuine. Rarely do the certificates have real signatures. Look at the flown shuttle flags, they mostly have preprinted signatures, same for a lot of the Apollo flown flags.

spaced out
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posted 04-11-2014 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fredtrav:
Tony is a great person to work with and his stuff is genuine. Rarely do the certificates have real signatures. Look at the flown shuttle flags, they mostly have preprinted signatures, same for a lot of the Apollo flown flags.

The key difference is surely that the official NASA presentations with printed signatures are produced on behalf of - and with signatures reproduced with the implicit agreement of - the astronauts/signees.

If these certificates are being produced with the explicit agreement of Fullerton and Brockett then I see no problem here. On the other hand if it's being done without their permission that would be a serious issue.

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