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Topic: 301134572357: Apollo 16 crew-signed glossy
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Keith Barber
Member Posts: 326
From: Warwickshire
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-30-2014 08:13 AM
   
Any thoughts please on this Apollo 16 Crew Signed 8x10 Glossy? |
David Carey
Member Posts: 782
From:
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 03-30-2014 10:44 AM
I don't spot any autopen matches but the whole thing looks a bit like a photograph of a signature set. Preprint/Reprint perhaps? |
Keith Barber
Member Posts: 326
From: Warwickshire
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-30-2014 01:28 PM
Thanks - I could not see the separation between autographs and photograph either... |
chet
Member Posts: 1506
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-30-2014 01:36 PM
Would have to see this up close to determine if it may have the signatures printed on it, but you could say the same about any signed photo; this one looks perfectly good to me. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 03-30-2014 01:39 PM
I would not bid on it as it does not state hand signed and does not allow returns. Looking at his other items, the seller has an autopen Ed White also starting at .99 and what looks like a good Alan Shepard that he states is hand signed and started at 99. To me that says something about the sellers confidence in the piece. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-30-2014 02:29 PM
While I agree with others that the formation of the signatures looks good, the Young and Mattingly are atypically small. My first thought was the photo was 16x20, but it is not... just an 8x10.For comparison... the entire "John Young" signature is about the same size as the "Charlie." |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 03-31-2014 09:01 AM
The Young is small but no smaller than some other examples and consistent with his variable sizing. I measured this as just over 1" at its max. There's an ISP on Farthest Reaches with an even smaller (authentic) example. The landscape layout makes it look smaller as does the comparison to Duke (typically and consistently almost 2.5"). That's not to say it couldn't be a printed example. The seller certainly has an interesting history of selling a combo of tech stuff and low-priced astronaut items. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-31-2014 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by fredtrav:
Looking at his other items...
Looking at his completed auctions, items that appear to be authentic started at $400 or more. This item started at .99 GPB and the listing is brimming with wiggle room language for it not being hand signed. I think the likelihood these are hand signed signatures is very, very remote. |
Keith Barber
Member Posts: 326
From: Warwickshire
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-01-2014 07:39 AM
Sold for £247/ $411. |
moorouge
Member Posts: 2454
From: U.K.
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 04-01-2014 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
The landscape layout makes it look smaller as does the comparison to Duke (typically and consistently almost 2.5").
Just for the record, I have a genuine Duke signature that is 1.75 inches. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-01-2014 08:22 AM
Well, we could debate about who has the biggest Duke for days on end...  In all seriousness, most signers vary signature size to a degree based on a number of factors including image type, size of image, signer’s age, etc. For instance, as Gordon Cooper's age and Parkinson's took hold, his signature because absolutely miniscule compared to earlier examples. Most astronauts sign a lot bigger on a 16x20 compared to an 8x10 to fill the space better, etc. etc. Getting back to the image in question... I'm sure we could all find tiny examples of Young and Mattingly. But when you look at the size and placement on THIS photo and the how disproportionate everything looks — something is not right. Consider the cheap starting price and the seller's waffling language... it all adds up to someone paid a lot of money for what is almost certainly a clunker. |
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