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Topic: 321239458703: Ed Givens signed Carpenter cover
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idrvball
Member Posts: 150
From: Burke, VA USA
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-03-2013 10:51 AM
   
I recently bought this Scott Carpenter cover and it was also signed by Edward Givens. The signature doesn't match Givens' normal signature. But, I find it hard to believe, but certainly not impossible, that someone would forge Givens name on the cover. Or, could this possibly be an early Ed Gibson signature? But, it clearly looks like there is a V in the signature.  
Any thoughts on if this is a legit Givens autograph? — Mike |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 12-03-2013 12:56 PM
Definitely an early Ed Gibson autograph. Look at his early Autopen pattern. |
chet
Member Posts: 1506
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-04-2013 02:14 PM
Hate to disagree with Chris, but the signature in question clearly reads "Givens", not Gibson. Though the signature certainly looks similar to Gibson's early autopen pattern I don't think Ed Gibson signed the above cover. Of course, whether Givens signed it is another matter. The signature does share certain traits with Givens' more recognized autograph, but without more evidence or better examples to work with I'd not have great confidence in saying it's an authentic Givens signature (which isn't to say it couldn't be). |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-04-2013 02:27 PM
For the benefit of those unfamiliar with what may be the rarest of the astronaut autographs, here is an authentic example of Givens' signature:  Given (no pun intended) the example of Gibson's and Givens' handwriting, I think Chris is correct in that it appears to match more closely Gibson's script. It would help to know when the cover in question was signed, as in 1962, Givens and Gibson were years from becoming an astronaut... |
chet
Member Posts: 1506
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-04-2013 03:10 PM
The signature certainly resembles Gibson's more than Givens', but then how can it be accounted for that the name written is clearly "Givens", not "Gibson"? Also, it should be noted that Gibson wrote out his "S"s singularly, in nearly printed form, not cursively; the signature in question, however ends with a cursive "s". If I had to guess on this one (and I do), it'd be that neither Gibson or Givens signed the autograph on the above cover. And given that Givens' autograph can command large sums, it may be that someone thought it a good idea to add his name, hoping for a better payday than just Carpenter's signature might bring alone. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-04-2013 03:14 PM
I think what you are reading as "iv" is in fact "ib" but either Gibson was rushed or his pen slipped, which broke the fluidity of his stroke and accounts for the odd "s" that follows. |
chet
Member Posts: 1506
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-04-2013 03:23 PM
I could be wrong, of course, but I don't see how the portion of the signature after the character that resembles a "V" could be construed as "son" instead of "ens", though it's certainly possible. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3445
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-04-2013 06:54 PM
Could it be that the "/" is not the end of the 'v' but the beginning of the 'b'? With what looks the 'e' is actually the 'ball' of the 'b'?(And for what its worth, I have a Kate Rubins SP in which it looks like she signed her first name beginning with an 'N' instead of a 'K.' I have to scan that; it'll be interesting trying to explain that when the time comes....) |
billewald
Member Posts: 89
From: Stafford, VA, USA
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 10-13-2015 12:08 PM
For what it is worth I am listing this cover from Mike Levine's estate as a Scott Carpenter autograph on eBay starting Sunday the 18th of October. |
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