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Bas S Warwick
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posted 05-31-2013 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bas S Warwick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This cover is being sold as a possible autopen.

Any opinions appreciated. Auto-pen or Fake?

Also, what would the approx value be based on it being autopen? Thanks in advance.

spaced out
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posted 06-01-2013 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Autopen. Not being a cover expert I can't comment on value.

DChudwin
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posted 06-01-2013 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely an autopen. One of the clues is the dot at the end of each stroke.

The cover itself is worth about $10. With the autopen, my guess is $25, but I'd like to hear other opinions.

There are thousands of autopen Armstrong covers out there.

Tykeanaut
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posted 06-01-2013 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a messy autopen. It could perhaps also be mistaken for a bad forgery?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-01-2013 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it could be confused with a forgery, at least not if you're familiar with the autopen patterns.

DChudwin
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posted 06-01-2013 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris Spain has an excellent guide to astronaut autopens online. The signature on the Apollo 11 recovery cover closely resembles Chris' Pattern 4 Armstrong Autopen.

Also, see this other guide to astronaut autopens for similar examples of Armstrong autopens. The one on the cover looks like the second one shown (after the two lithos).

Another useful resource by Scott Cornish et al is the Neil Armstrong Signature Exemplar Study which is on collectSPACE under Resources.

Bas S Warwick
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posted 06-01-2013 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bas S Warwick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks all.

I'm not sure its No 4 - just a basic check of the dot on the 'i' and the loop in 'e' in 'Neil' and they seem quite different. (The 'e' has no open loop area).

Can the same autopen vary that much due to shake?

Any other thoughts? Current price is $10.50.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-01-2013 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bas S Warwick:
Can the same autopen vary that much due to shake?
In a word, yes.

The autopen was mechanically operated, so the person pulling the item to be "signed" through it could affect the look of the signature based on the speed and precision of the operation. Autopen signatures can be stretched, compressed, having differences in letter kerning, and more.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 06-01-2013 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The funny thing is, I can't remember the last time, or if I ever, saw a real Armstrong signature that had a surname even close to this Autopen pattern. He obviously signed that way one time... Maybe that was it.

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