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jiffyq58
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posted 01-10-2013 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jiffyq58   Click Here to Email jiffyq58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does the "AUTO" in the title of this auction mean that this signature is an autopen? I'm thinking that's what it must mean or the bidding would be higher for a John Young signature than this one has gotten.

Greggy_D
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posted 01-10-2013 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definite autopen.

stsmithva
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posted 01-10-2013 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just wondering the same thing yesterday - almost wrote to the seller to ask. I do suspect that it is a sneaky way to sell an autopen as genuine, then if caught be able to say that the AUTO was a perfectly clear notice. Which it isn't.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 01-10-2013 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stsmithva:
I do suspect that it is a sneaky way to sell an autopen as genuine, then if caught be able to say that the AUTO was a perfectly clear notice. Which it isn't.

I think you are giving him too much credit. This seller is a high volume consignment seller. He doesn't know good from bad autographs.

chet
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posted 01-10-2013 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chet   Click Here to Email chet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Zarelli:
He doesn't know good from bad autographs.

...or doesn't care.

Tykeanaut
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posted 01-11-2013 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, someone paid $67 for it!

jiffyq58
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posted 01-11-2013 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jiffyq58   Click Here to Email jiffyq58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone must have thought he/she was getting a steal. Can't imagine anyone knowingly paying that much for an autopen sig on a 3 x 5 card.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 01-12-2013 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jiffyq58:
Someone must have thought he/she was getting a steal.
They got a steal alright.

But it was the seller doing the stealing.

spaceman1953
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posted 01-12-2013 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman1953   Click Here to Email spaceman1953     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why is an autopen not an original autograph of an astronaut, if the President of the United States can sign legislation using the autopen as his legal signature?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-12-2013 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very simply: the reason the President can legally use the Autopen is because the law does not require an original signature. At the time the Constitution was written, a legal mark could be in the form of a wax seal or an authorized signature by another man.

But really that is neither here nor there: it doesn't matter if law says an autopen is a legal signature or not, it is not an autograph. To the collector, it does not matter if a signature is legal or not, but rather than it is from the hand of the celebrity whose autograph is being sought.

bwhite1976
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posted 01-12-2013 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bwhite1976   Click Here to Email bwhite1976     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I clicked on several of his other auctions and they all clearly state that the signatures are hand written and not autopens. The John Young auction has none of these disclaimers.

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