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moonsuit steve
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posted 09-23-2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonsuit steve   Click Here to Email moonsuit steve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My name is Steve and I am a graphic designer from the UK. I am a long term space fan, particularly Apollo and have a modest selection on astronaut autographs.

In 2000, I was fortunate enough to meet Alan Bean, Dick Gordon and Ed Mitchell at a signing. All lovely fellas and very friendly and gracious.

Next week, I turn 40 and my wife has arranged a holiday to Washington DC, so I can visit the Smithsonian and check out all their lovely Apollo stuff. I have never seen a capsule in real life, so it's going to be a real thrill for me.

In addition to this holiday, my wife and my folks have offered to club together and buy me something really special for my birthday and I am toying with the idea of a Russian Orlan glove.

I have seen Russian gloves on ebay for a while but they have always been out of my price range. But now, I may be able to get one — I am so excited!

However, there seem to be two main sellers of Russian space memorabilia. Jangospace (based in Russia) and Maksuta (seemingly based in the US).

They both currently have Orlan gloves for sale. Jangospace has a green ISS version, NON flown, which I like the look of.

Maksuta has one that looks a little earlier and claims it has been flown in space.

My question to you guys is, how reliable are these guys? They appear to have ALOT of stuff. Space suits that cost upwards of 20K etc... but can I trust them?

Are they the real deal? Or are they simply selling copies, made from the correct material for the collectors market?

I apologise in advance for asking, but this is a lot of cash for us and this thing has to be right for me.

Alternatively, if there are any other collectors out there who have gotten bored with their Russian glove, shoot me a mail.

Thank you so much in advance, it's a pleasure to meet you all and hope to hang here again soon.

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posted 09-23-2012 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, I will offer my take on things, but it may not be reflective of these two sellers you mention on eBay. There is a term in Russia known as 'legally stolen', I know this having stayed in Russia for months on end over the past few years.

The Russian government has never been fond of releasing their space memorabilia to the general public (ie; you and me). Most of the time the relics of a past age of space travel are left in military storage facilities or the like. That is not to say that a Russian astronaut or two hasn't taken a thing or two as a souvenir from their travels, but mostly you will find the stuff we are looking for is under lock and key.

There are 'organisations' and individuals within Russia whom when asked to procure a specific item, they can do just that. The term legally stolen means that the item in question IS stolen but nobody will ever question its origin due to the connections of said organisations/individuals. Anything flown that comes from Russia I can pretty much promise you has been acquired this way (unless brought back by an Astronaut).

It is important to remember that when buying some Russian memorabilia you probably won't have a visit from the Secret Service or Russia/USA/UK, but the products origin will be questionable at best. Russia is still a very corrupt country and even IF you find a glove, it may not be as advertised.

There is a Russian memorabilia website that I have known about for some time. I am not too sure on whether it is legitimate or not though so you may want to wait for other peoples opinions for this one.

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posted 09-23-2012 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, you may want to contact two guys I have had very good personal experiences with. Alex Panchenko and Alex Keleebev.

I have not had any experience of those you have mentioned but I have heard others express reservations.

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posted 09-23-2012 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well there you have it. If Rick says it is good, then take his word for it!

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posted 09-23-2012 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonsuit steve   Click Here to Email moonsuit steve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. I really appreciate any input here.

I've heard the Matsuka seller is selling real hardware, but not to hold too much faith in the 'flown' story behind it.

Will check out those sites.

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posted 09-24-2012 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Bryant   Click Here to Email David Bryant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Steve! Like Rick, I've often dealt with Alex Panchenko and Alex Keleebev: their stuff isn't cheap, but it does often come with good provenance.

Incidentally: I'm bemused... You say you've never '...seen a capsule in real life' You know that the Apollo 10 CM is in the Science Museum, right?

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posted 09-24-2012 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonsuit steve   Click Here to Email moonsuit steve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha ha. I am ashamed to say that I haven't been to the Science Museum ....YET

Silly eh? It's on my own door step!

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posted 09-24-2012 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should be ashamed of yourself.

I live on the other end of the country and I went hours out of my way just to see it! Come on man, priorities!

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posted 09-24-2012 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonsuit steve   Click Here to Email moonsuit steve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know - what a slacker.

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posted 09-24-2012 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo14LMP   Click Here to Email Apollo14LMP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apollo 10 is on your doorstep... as it were. I saw the Apollo 10 CM soon after it returned from the Moon and went on a a bit of a world tour. I saw it at the Liverpool Show. Fond memories of standing for hours with my Dad to see the CM and a selection of encased Moon rocks from Apollo 11.

Alex Panchenko - I have had dealings with him works in an unusual manner lots of the time! but at least his items are the real McCoy. Please mail me if you wish.

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posted 10-05-2012 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonsuit steve   Click Here to Email moonsuit steve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a line to let you know that I had a wonderful time in Washington. I went to the National Air and Space Museum four times!! My poor wife!

I took 860 photographs. I think 859 of them were of Dave Scott's lunar suit. I just couldn't tear myself away from it. It was grimy with lunar dust and lovely to see.

On another note, I have followed your advice and purchased a glove from Alex Panchenko. I went for a Sokol glove in the end, that was flown up to MIR by Manakov.

Aesthetically, I like Orlan gloves more than Sokols, but I'd rather have something that I knew was REAL, than something I would always have doubts about.

Thanks again for your advice. If any of you need reference shots from the National Air and Space Museum, give me a holler!

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