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Topic: 230554689149: Apollo 11 "autograph pack"
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jut2y
Member Posts: 260
From: worthing west sussex united kingdom
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-05-2010 04:15 AM
   
I may be mistaken but this looks like someone has paid a lot of money for a bunch of autopens.Any thoughts? |
TRS
Member Posts: 721
From: Wellington, New Zealand
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 12-05-2010 05:23 AM
They look more like attempted copies than autopens to me... |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 12-05-2010 06:38 AM
Autopens or printed copies Autopens. Either way the buyer is in for $1,800 of disappointment somewhere down the line when they realize what they've bought. |
apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-05-2010 07:16 AM
How can you see that it is a autopen? I have also such photo...   
I find it always strange, is it real or not? |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 12-05-2010 07:30 AM
Well the Collins signature looks okay to me but the Armstrong and Aldrin are definitely dodgy. |
Lunar rock nut
Member Posts: 911
From: Oklahoma city, Oklahoma U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-05-2010 07:31 AM
quote:
Originally posted by spaced out:
Either way the buyer is in for $1,800 of disappointment somewhere down the line when they realize what they've bought.
That'll teach them to be more careful about the way you snipe something. $1400.00 jump in the last few seconds at the auctions end. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 12-05-2010 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by apolloprojeckt:
I have also such photo... I find it always strange, is it real or not?
Not real. All three signatures are classic Autopens.
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apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-05-2010 08:34 AM
Thanks for the info, but I have one photo that is sure real! Got it from himself, Mr. big mustache ESA astronaut Wubbo Ockels -- is that real or not, what a mustache.   |
Steve Procter
Member Posts: 1031
From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-05-2010 09:21 AM
No reserve, yet a leap of $1422.77 from the second to the third highest bid. What's with the $0.77? All other bids in round dollars?Do I smell something fishy? |
jut2y
Member Posts: 260
From: worthing west sussex united kingdom
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-05-2010 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by apolloprojeckt:
How can you see that it is a autopen?
Just call it experience. |
Lunar rock nut
Member Posts: 911
From: Oklahoma city, Oklahoma U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-05-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Steve Procter:
What's with the $0.77?
The .77 comes from the next bidder below's maximum bid of $1777.77. The bid increments are $25.00 between $1,000.00 and $2,499.99. |
Steve Procter
Member Posts: 1031
From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-05-2010 12:53 PM
I appreciate the $25 increment from the second highest bid of $1777.77 but why that from a straight $350? |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 12-05-2010 04:24 PM
If you look at the key final bids in chronological order: - 19:34:51 PST $301 max bid from (68)
- 19:35:25 PST $1777.77 bid from (520) which at this point would have been a winner at $306
- 19:35:29 PST $320 bid from (32) which would have pushed (520)'s winning bid to $325
- 19:35:30 PST $355 bid from (68) which would have pushed (520)'s winning bid to $360
- 19:35:33 PST >$1777.77 bid from (1377) winning at next lowest max bid (520)'s $1777.77 + $25 increment = $1802.77.
And it's all over, with (520) paying $1802.77 for a nice set of three Autopens.As Brucie would say - Didn't he do well?  |
Rob Joyner
Member Posts: 1308
From: GA, USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 12-05-2010 05:21 PM
Regarding apolloprojeckt's crew photo, am I seeing things or did the machine start the "B" in Buzz, stop, move to the right and then create the signature? |
Steve Procter
Member Posts: 1031
From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-05-2010 05:21 PM
Thanks for the explanation Chris.'Didn't he do well?' -- Depends if you're the buyer or the seller!  |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 12-05-2010 10:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rob Joyner:
Regarding apolloprojeckt's crew photo, am I seeing things or did the machine start the "B" in Buzz, stop, move to the right and then create the signature?
Possibly. But I suspect the operator of the autopen machine accidentally brushed the litho against the tip of the pen as he/she placed the item on the table of the machine. |
Lou Chinal
Member Posts: 1306
From: Staten Island, NY
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 12-13-2010 06:26 AM
As Mike Collins is fond as saying "you can get a good bottle of wine for about ten dollars". |
HelmetHair
Member Posts: 104
From: Georgia
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-15-2010 02:06 PM
Are you sure about this?I just looked closely at the Armstrong signature. The l in Neil differs from the closest pattern I could see on edgeofdarkness(4) as does the two strokes in the A of Armstrong? What is the opinion of Frank Garo? It doesn't look like a preprint either, from my memory (which could be wrong) Was this actually a bargain? |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 12-15-2010 04:18 PM
No it wasn't a bargain, and yes I'm 100% sure that it's an Autopen.Small variations in individual strokes are common in Autopen signatures. In fact the eBay Armstrong in the first post is a particularly distorted example more reminiscent of examples sometimes seen on covers. Why so distorted? I'm pretty sure it's because the AP operator applied this signature unusually close to the edge of the litho. That meant that the litho wasn't held in place particularly well which led to the paper slipping beneath the pen during some of the strokes. |
capoetc
Member Posts: 2169
From: McKinney TX (USA)
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-16-2010 08:30 AM
Autopen? Yes. Bargain? No. |
jut2y
Member Posts: 260
From: worthing west sussex united kingdom
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-17-2010 09:42 AM
Looks like these items have reared there heads again or the seller has another pack of these "signed items." |
Steve Procter
Member Posts: 1031
From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-17-2010 09:46 AM
Just wonder if the original 'winner' of this lot got word from somewhere as to what they were getting for their money and decided to not pay up in the end. |
jut2y
Member Posts: 260
From: worthing west sussex united kingdom
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-17-2010 10:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Procter:
Just wonder if the original 'winner' of this lot got word from somewhere as to what they were getting for their money and decided to not pay up in the end.
That's certainly a good possibility Steve. |
Lunar rock nut
Member Posts: 911
From: Oklahoma city, Oklahoma U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-17-2010 02:27 PM
Note the change at the end of the description. This time the seller has added "This item is being sold as is". |
Steve Procter
Member Posts: 1031
From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 12-17-2010 02:35 PM
Interesting though, if you look at the sellers eBay feedback (as left for buyers) he gives the buyer of the previous item good feedback. Unless that was before he stopped his payment.... |
HelmetHair
Member Posts: 104
From: Georgia
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-21-2010 11:58 AM
I understand that someone from this thread contacted the buyer, and advised them of the nature of the items, and that the seller was then decent (very decent, in my opinion) and refunded the money paid.Honest seller, fortunate buyer, and now relisted with a description that is accurate and upfront. Whoever buys this must now know what they are getting. |
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