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jimsz
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posted 05-17-2017 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jimsz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever happened to the couple of American grab bags that were going around?

There was the first one (which I place some moonwalker autographs) and I believe one for kids/teens?

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There were a couple of iterations of U.S.-based (and even international) grab bags that ran their course but the largest and most popular of them ran afoul of a now-ex-collectSPACE member who claimed the contents of the box were destroyed in transit. The same individual later faked his own death (while having "his son" post here, wanting to pick up where he left off) and then when found to be alive and well, was outed as a rampant forgery dealer.

That experience, plus the postage cost of shipping the box around and the quality (or lack thereof) of the material being put in, soured many to the activity at the time and they came to a halt.

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posted 05-17-2017 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. Never heard that conclusion of the US Space Grab Bag. Sad ending to a great idea.

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That's very unfortunate. It sounds like a great concept, and as a newer cS member with a smaller collection, it's very intriguing as a means to grow my collection, but I certainly understand why it ended.

jimsz
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I hope someone other than the individual discussed above obtained the items I placed in the box!

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posted 05-18-2017 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We had a southeastern grab bag going for awhile, started by a member. He put in a lot of very good stuff and started sending it around. Unfortunately people were taking out the good items and replacing it with, not exactly garage, but low quality items like stickers and things like that. Filler and and not stuff most people would want. So after two orbits, it was discontinued.

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posted 05-18-2017 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mea culpa; reviewing old threads I conflated two events inadvertently.

The ex-member who faked his death is not the same member who reported the box had arrived damaged. The latter is still a cS member in good standing.

After the damage was reported in 2007, the box was re-filled and resent out and actually continued on its way for three more years. It reached its final recipient in January 2011, when it apparently came to its end for reasons that aren't entirely clear (though it appears there were communication issues as to where the box was to go next).

My apologies for the unnecessary intrigue; I'm not sure why my memories merged the two issues, but it wasn't my intention to mislead.

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posted 05-22-2017 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone's thinking of restarting one, I can probably scrounge up a couple of items to throw in.

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posted 05-23-2017 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceyInMN   Click Here to Email SpaceyInMN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd definitely consider joining in on this, but I would want some idea of what others typically include in such a grab bag. I ask that not because I'm concerned about what I'd get out of it, but rather because, as a relatively new collector, I'd want to ensure that I would be able to offer items from my collection that would be worthwhile to others.

So, any input on what sort of items others would consider worthwhile items for a grab bag?

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posted 05-23-2017 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've seen in the other threads about grab bags, a good rule of thumb is for the items to have value to you. If you find them something worth having in your collection, it's not a far reach to assume that others will feel the same way.

It's the stuff that makes you say "Ehhh, maybe someone will want this" that generally tends to serve no purpose except adding unnecessary weight to the shipping box.

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posted 05-24-2017 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If there is a restart, perhaps say a minimum of four or six items in the "bag" at least... don't know how many the European bag usually contains. I know I have too many to count.

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posted 05-24-2017 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I participated in a round of the US Grab Bag. It was funny watching the UPS guy trying to carry what was once a nice rectangular cardboard box that had evolved into a 40 pound rounded cardboard mass with two or three rolls of shipping tape all over it!

One of the things I didn't like about the Grab Bag was the tradition that became "here's what I took out" and "here's what I put in" accountings. That sort of took the fun out of it for me. Nobody likes getting a list of contents a week before their birthday gift arrives. What's the point?

I do love the idea, though. Paying it forward is fun! I just wish there were some way to keep that big cardboard orb manageable, especially after the 50th delivery/shipment and when the contents get down to nothing but broken Buzz Lightyear's and ripped up Time magazines. Ideas?

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From my experience with the European version there are definitely challenges to making the grab bag work.

Somewhere along the line people have to be prepared to take out worthless heavy tat that no-one is ever going to want to take out. There needs to be a weight limit really otherwise the cost of postage far outweighs the value of the contents.

I also agree that people listing what they took out or put in works as a spoiler. We've managed to avoid that with the European version luckily.

My impression is that the grab bag works best as a way to redistribute some interesting vintage material from the collections of long-term collectors (who tend to build up significant amounts of duplicates or material outside their area of interest) to newer collectors with more gaps to fill. Ideally I'd say you need to have a big collector in the flightpath every 6 stops or so to up the quality and weed out the dross.

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posted 05-24-2017 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was the one that received a heavily damaged box. I didn't fake my death though! Haha. I am glad a lot of it was clarified by Robert.

To add to what happened, I came home to the box sitting out in the rain. I found it rather lazy on the part of USPS to place it out there instead of bringing it up to my door where it would have stayed dry. Once I opened the box, the water was in the box itself and damaged a lot of the items. It took a while to dry stuff out and place it all in bags and protect them inside the new box in case the person after me was rained out too. I remember three of the Spaceflori cards didn't even have the spacecraft fragment on them and I couldn't find them in the box itself.

As for my opinion on the bag/box, it is a great idea if it is a small box (and by small, I mean small), with little goodies that we can all trade.

As another side note, there seem to be a lot of gathering of cS members around the country. It would be nice to bring items and trade at these events with others as well.

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posted 05-25-2017 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparkR_13   Click Here to Email SparkR_13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two thoughts to add...

On the grab bag, how about multiple boxes? Perhaps specialize the contents, such as one box being all about stamps/covers, one box being about Apollo era, one box being patches only, etc. You can sign up for more than one box list, but at least it narrows down the shipping costs of miscellaneous stuff each box?

Trade shows — I highly recommend that space collectors attend the "military" trade shows. I would like to organize one here in Martinsburg at one point, but would have t include military to get a crowd to make it worth while.

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posted 05-25-2017 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adding additional weight to a box will generally ship cheaper than sending that additional weight in a separate box, so those with varied interests could well end up paying more, rather than saving money.

That miscellany is also part of the fun of the grab bag. You don't know if you're going to come away with lithos or covers or patches or whatever else. (On that, I second Bruce's comments above about accounting.)

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posted 05-25-2017 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfreeze79   Click Here to Email cfreeze79     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "grab boxes" were born in an era of large flat rate boxes, and cheaper USPS prices. Smaller boxes might work, but frankly - I think it is a practice that is probably best left to history.

Just my two cents.

Gonzo
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posted 05-30-2017 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the contrary. I've been a member for a long time with comings and goings of activity here through the years. I remember asking in the distant past about a grab bag here in the USA and was told "we don't do that here."

I for one would love to see one started. I've been a collector for almost 30 years so I think I'd have stuff to put in when it came my way!

So who wants to do it?

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posted 05-30-2017 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems like there's a small handful of us at this point.

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posted 05-30-2017 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll join in again.

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posted 05-30-2017 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceyInMN   Click Here to Email SpaceyInMN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pretty sure I'd be in. I've already started thinking of the items I'd contribute.

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posted 06-01-2017 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparkR_13   Click Here to Email SparkR_13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I am mostly interested in the payload/experiment patches of the space shuttle era, I pretty much doubt any of the rarer ones would find the way in the box to me... However! If one is going to start a box, let me know and I will grab a big handful of extra patches I have and send to you for you to include as my contribution to the effort pro bono as they say..

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posted 06-02-2017 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like we have few interested at least. Since I started this, email me with your info and I'll start one then! I'll reply with rules and addresses for all so we'll know where and how to forward. But we can't let this go for long. So let's put a deadline on this. Send me your info if you want included by next weekend — 10 June — I'll then email all with the what's needed.

Sound fair enough? If you've any questions, post here or email me directly.

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posted 06-02-2017 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for milkit1   Click Here to Email milkit1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would posting on here what you put in the box help eliminate worthless items being put in it?

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posted 06-02-2017 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doubtful. Plus, for this grab bag, there will be just a couple simple rules to keep it fun. One of which will be to NOT post what's in the box. That way it remains a surprise when you get it. Remember, this is a grab bag, not a "I want this in the box". It's supposed to be what you want to share with someone else for their collection and a surprise when you get it.

There will only be a couple simple, but reasonable, rules like this. I'll post them here once I have them written up.

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One more suggestion - could you keep it limited to a large-size Flat Rate Box (Priority Mail)?

The boxes are available, reliable, and free. Plus, it manages the expected postage fees and has plenty of room for 2D and 3D items.

Just a suggestion. I'd be in on that...

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posted 06-02-2017 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When we had the Southeast grab bag, that is what we used. It worked well having no weight restriction and room for lots of items. If one gets started, count me in.

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posted 06-02-2017 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Count me in! Keep it fun!

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posted 06-03-2017 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had enough people respond for this to "take flight." A couple of you have said you want in, but haven't sent me an email. I need that to have your contact info. I'll also need your street address. So if you want in, make sure you've emailed me at my address in my profile (the great.gonzos one) with your street address. Deadline is next weekend.

And if anyone wants to donate anything to get this started, it would be much appreciated! Tell me that in your email and I'll send you my address.

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I'm in - I've been collecting long enough now to have some interesting surplus and will only take out approximately as much as I put in.

Gonzo, if you like I can media-mail you some stuff to get started with, then await whatever arrives here.

Most importantly I would propose that each member post a list of what they've removed - this prevents any spoilers for what remains, records caliber of what had been present, and shows what was removed to hopefully keep everything fair.

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posted 06-03-2017 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would disagree that a "here's what I removed" list prevents spoilers.

While, yes, it doesn't tell you what is in there, unless there are two identical items, it does tell you what isn't.

Part of the fun, in my opinion, is going in completely blind. Until you open the box, there could be anything in the box. Once you have a list of what's not in the box, that does dampen that fun.

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posted 06-03-2017 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed, Mike.

As I've said, there will only be a couple of simple rules, one of which will be to not post what you put in. If you want to post what you scored out of the box will be fine. Just don't post or tell what you put in.

The rules will be emailed to all players before we start as well as posted in the box. Questions? Fire away.

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posted 06-03-2017 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many items should we start and try and keep in it? six?

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posted 06-04-2017 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Six each seems a little high (depending, of course, on what the items are).

Six total is most likely less than one per person.

My thoughts were that it would start with whatever it started with and then each person would do at least a one-for-one. It shouldn't be possible for the number to go any lower unless people toss in junk that needs to be removed (which shouldn't happen). The ceiling should depend on what fits into the box.

Of course, this is just me talking — ultimately it's up to the host and possibly a general vote of participants.

In terms of rule suggestions, though, I will suggest that we get somewhere between 7 to 10 days between the box being delivered and the box going back out. I don't know how everyone's schedule is, but I wouldn't want this to become a cause of stress for someone if there's a tight deadline on it. Seven to 10 days, to me, seems fair in that regard.

I'll also ask: what are we thinking with regard to content restrictions? The site is, of course, called "collectSPACE", but many here also have an interest in things like rocket planes (both NASA and Air Force) and general aviation. The various boards have threads devoted to men like Scott Crossfield and Chuck Yeager, who are only tangentially related to "space," and Bud Anderson and Bob Hoover, who are tangentially related to Chuck Yeager. (The latter is, of course, partially tongue-in-cheek, as both are great men with great accomplishments.)

Then there's men like Walter Cronkite and Ted Sorensen, whose jobs had nothing to do with space or aviation, but we consider them to be figures relevant to the community and related hobbies (at least I do).

So where are we drawing the line? Is it just a better judgement thing or is there a hard and fast boundary?

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Wow. So many tangents. So many ways this has gone.

First, all I can do as the "host" are set guidelines. I can't enforce any real "rules." Do you think someone is going to come get you if you violate them? So yes, at best this can only be "best judgment."

Second, I was thinking of two weeks per person as a guide to shoot for. And again, this is just arbitrary. If you can turn the box around in two days, great. If you need three weeks, okay. We're all busy and have busy schedules. Again, use your best judgment realizing that others are involved. (I do have a mechanism in mind as the host to track it though.)

Third, I know that if there are six people involved, the temptation will be to put in six of something so everybody gets one. That's not how this works. In fact, if you think about it, it can't work that way. This is meant to be a grab bag. That means you won't know what's in it when it shows up on your doorstep. Nor are you expected to give something to everybody.

If you take something out, you replace it with something of yours. Look at it this way. Say you're the fourth person out of six to get it. How are the first three going to get what you put in if you put in six of the same thing, or one for everybody? They've already had the box and passed it on.

So it shouldn't contain any more items than what those of us who are seeding it with when it finishes and comes back to me as the host. I don't want to have to divvy out extras of something at the end. Nor are the seeders looking to gain from this in the end. So we don't even want more in the box at the end.

Last, this is meant for space collectors, not aviation. That is, it should be limited to things space collectors would want. After all, this is collectSPACE, not collectAVIATION. So it should only contain things related to space exploration. Again, best judgement kind of thing.

What other questions are there? I can see the need to post the "rules" here to avoid confusion. I'll do that. Give me a bit to write them up. I'm not at home this weekend. So I'll try to post them up tonight or tomorrow.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo:
So we don't even want more in the box at the end.
Is there going to be an "end"? Generally speaking, grab bags tend to work as a cycle. Theoretically, they never stop.

In practice, they stop when everyone calls it quits or the box ends up filled with worthless trash. Are we only going one round?

EDIT: Unfortunately, something just came up on my end, so I won't be able to participate at this point.

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OK, so I said I'd post some basic rules. So here goes.

First and foremost, use good judgement. Remember that others are in this too.

  1. Do NOT post what you put IN the grab bag. You can post what you take out (and I encourage you to do so), but do NOT post what you put in. This will keep it a surprise for those coming after you.

  2. This will be a one-for-one swap. If you take something out, replace it with something.

  3. All items need to be in plastic (Zip-Lock) bags. This will help prevent mixing of items, but also help protect them from getting wet if the box gets left outside by the USPS. I plan to start the box with ALL items in one large Zip-Lock back for extra insurance.

  4. Please try to adhere to a two-week turn around. Once the box has been delivered to you, please try to get it moving on to the next person on the list within two weeks. The list will be in the box.

  5. The box will be limited to a large, flat-rate, Priority box from the USPS. This gives us the advantage of no weight restriction. but will help to keep the cost of shipping down as well. Plus, the boxes are free if/when it needs to be replaced.

  6. When you ship the box to the next person, email me so I can track where it is and who has it. That way if it gets lost or damaged, we'll all know where it is. You can also tell me as the host in your email what you put in if you'd like, but do NOT tell anyone else. Again, this is for tracking and to keep it a surprise for those involved.

  7. When the last person receives it, they will ship it back to me. I will then add new names to the list, remove those that want out, check it for damaged items and send it out again. This way it can keep going while still being able to add/remove players.

  8. Last, if at anytime, you receive a damaged box or item within the box, email me immediately so we can handle it at the time. I'd rather you not send damaged items to the next person! Nobody wants to receive anything that is broken.
And if you ever have any questions about something, email me! I'm targeting to start this with the first mailing next week!

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posted 06-05-2017 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it okay to add more items but take less?

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I originally posted, no as we didn't want to have to divvy up what's left when it comes back to start over.

But, now that it will live on and go another round, I don't see any reason why you couldn't add more than you take out. As long as it stays within the box size limit (USPS, large, flat-rate Priority box).

Liem, did you want in? (Send me an email with your info if you do.)

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I just sent an email to everyone confirmed to be in this first round. If you didn't get an email, let me know. I will use this email group to send the "official" rules to everyone later.

Of course, if you want to join, we still have room. We have about 10 people right now. But I'd like to limit it to 12 or so. So if you want in, email me soon!


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