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AirmanPika
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posted 01-29-2017 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I have a flown tile from Columbia that is accompanied by all of the disposition paperwork to include flown tags and so on. In addition, it appears the tile was used for educational purposes as it has related educational paperwork and seems to have been discolored post scrapping from torches as the SCRAP stamp is almost gone and the surface has a rainbow coloring in the middle.

I'm looking to trade the tile for one of the following...

  • A flown tile of any type from Discovery or Endeavour as I do not have one from these two shuttles yet.

  • A flown white tile from any of the orbiters.

  • A flown external TPS blanket that is complete (not a strip or partial blanket) from any shuttle.

  • Don't know if they ever made any fit or test tiles for Enterprise but if one of those is available I'd be interested in that too.

  • A complete (both halves) used SRB Frangible Nut.
For all items, I would like accompanying paperwork to verify but I will entertain items that don't have it case by case.

Here are some images of the tile being offered.

AirmanPika
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posted 01-29-2017 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More images...

Constellation One
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posted 01-29-2017 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Constellation One   Click Here to Email Constellation One     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you consider selling this? I know not as much fun though!

AirmanPika
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posted 01-29-2017 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At present I'm only looking to trade. Thanks for offering though.

Rocket Chris
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posted 01-30-2017 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocket Chris   Click Here to Email Rocket Chris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could offer a tracer pattern tile with complete documentation from Discovery. The tile is placed directly under the left main window. Email if interested.

AirmanPika
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posted 02-04-2017 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket Chris:
Email if interested.
Thanks, but yea just looking for flown tiles.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 02-04-2017 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're looking for some fully-intact TPS-flown blankets of any Orbiter, feel free to email me.

Spacepsycho
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posted 02-06-2017 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is your email? It's not listed on your profile or the post.

rpatrick
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posted 02-11-2017 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rpatrick   Click Here to Email rpatrick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you still have it? Please email.

AirmanPika
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posted 02-11-2017 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do, but be aware that I am awaiting some responses from above replies.

Also, assuming your location is correct I cannot ship to Italy as I abide by ITAR regulations and cannot ship a tile outside of the United States.

Mike Dixon
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posted 02-11-2017 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I know the ban is there but in a sentence or two can someone please explain why an international prohibit exists? Forgive me if that has been answered before now.

rgarner
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posted 02-11-2017 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) restricts movement of defence related-articles (both import and export), the tiles, at least at the birth of the Shuttle Program, were new aerospace technology. It makes sense that the tiles (as well as other aerospace materials) were added to the ITAR restrictions list in order to protect foreign governments (Russia) from stealing/using them (not that it worked; Buran).

I believe it is simply a matter of "what goes on the list stays on the list" unless there is a specific reason to remove it, and sadly, collecting isn't reason enough.

Mike Dixon
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posted 02-11-2017 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for that. Appreciate it mate.

I did try and swot up on it online but couldn't figure out quite why.

SpaceAholic
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posted 02-11-2017 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shuttle tiles are not called out specifically, but fall within a class of technology defined under Category VX (Spacecraft and Related articles) of the ITAR Munitions list:
(19) Spacecraft heat shields or heat sinks specially designed for atmospheric entry or re-entry, and specially designed parts and components therefor (MT if usable in rockets, SLVs, missiles, drones, or UAVs...

pupnik
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posted 02-11-2017 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pupnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or to put it more bluntly. Nuclear warheads are reentering spacecraft as well and any technology that would assist another nation in mastering that sort of space travel is held back.

Dietrich
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posted 02-11-2017 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dietrich     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...if usable in rockets, SLVs, missiles, drones, or UAVs
Yes, but the paperwork states "heavily damaged" and "scrap". Obviously, some authority could declare them no more ITAR-restricted. "if usable in rockets" does no more apply.

SpaceAholic
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posted 02-11-2017 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adversaries glean useful information from damaged tech. ITAR in addition to actual technology also restricts export of information with dual use application.

AirmanPika
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posted 03-20-2017 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just FYI this tile is still available for trade.

AirmanPika
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posted 04-30-2017 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep still available.

Also I'll add that I am interested in getting ahold of a complete (both halves) used frangible nut from the SRBs.

press4meco
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posted 05-03-2017 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for press4meco   Click Here to Email press4meco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have both halves of a frangible nut ever been made available? All I've ever seen are single halves.

AirmanPika
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posted 05-05-2017 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AirmanPika     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen em from time to time. Hence why I asked.

mikej
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posted 05-07-2017 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by press4meco:
Have both halves of a frangible nut ever been made available?
It depends on what you mean by "made available." The Kansas Cosmosphere has an SRB hold-down bolt and frangible nut display.

thisismills
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posted 05-08-2017 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thisismills   Click Here to Email thisismills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by press4meco:
Have both halves of a frangible nut ever been made available? All I've ever seen are single halves.
An example as presented to John Glenn by Kennedy Space Center after his STS-95 flight. Each half is mounted to a plaque, with the flat side facing outwards, making a nice pair of book ends.

press4meco
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posted 05-12-2017 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for press4meco   Click Here to Email press4meco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikej:
It depends on what you mean by "made available."
I suppose to finish my thought: Have any complete frangible nuts become available to the public? Again, only have seen halves.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-12-2017 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, they have. I have seen two pairs (from two different astronauts) sell, and know of a third pair in a private collection.

GACspaceguy
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posted 05-12-2017 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We do have an unused intact full nut, with a deactivated booster cartridge in one of the holes. Oh, as well as a nut half from STS-108.

thisismills
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posted 05-12-2017 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thisismills   Click Here to Email thisismills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by press4meco:
Have any complete frangible nuts become available to the public?
This presentation with both halves was sold via an online auction not too long ago.

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