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Topic: 4/16: Ken Willoughby presents: Edgar Mitchell
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johnraiders
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posted 04-15-2010 10:27 AM
  
I guess he doesn't get concerned about jet lag.  It's only an 8 hour flight.I wouldn't have thought the flight will leave ATL, with airspace officially closed until 0700 and flight not landing until 0730. I hope it does leave though. |
StarDome
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posted 04-15-2010 10:33 AM
I am going to keep an eye on the Delta and Atlanta - Hartsfield Jackson airport departures site and see what they turn up. NATS review at 8pm as stated before and that will let us know whats happening up to 1pm tomorrow afternoon. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-15-2010 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by StarDome:
Ken tries his best. Although he may not be the quickest at getting info out there, which is why I help him where I can, a more genuine man you will not find, he is as upset as we all are with the current situation.
Ken has a lot riding on this visit and has stuck his neck out to make it happen. I want the visit to go ahead for myself but more so for Ken. |
icarkie
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posted 04-15-2010 11:31 AM
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Ken tries his best. Although he may not be the quickest at getting info out there, which is why I help him where I can, a more genuine man you will not find, he is as upset as we all are with the current situation.
I think it's sad with some people if there to blame Ken for whats happened, like you said Andy you couldn't meet a more genuine bloke...For me it's a 160 mile round trip plus getting up for work at 5 am it's going to be a long day. So hopefully by 3-ish tomorrow afternoon I'll give my mate in Leeds a ring to see if its a go/no go... Keep up the good work Ken. |
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posted 04-15-2010 11:37 AM
I will know more by 9pm and will try and update. Just dosed myself up on Lemsip and Pill's... got "man" flu!I would probably postpone if it were my event and try for a better time, but we live in hope (though I'm not too optimistic at the mo given the volcano is still erupting). |
icarkie
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posted 04-15-2010 11:55 AM
Tomorrow afternoon I'll check this site out and ring my mate up, to see "whats a currin." I wont ring Ken up as he'll have enough on his plate as it is. |
StarDome
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posted 04-15-2010 12:38 PM
Just heard that the upper level winds tomorrow at 20,000ft+ are forecast to be light so that will mean the ash cloud will not disburse too well, so not looking great for tomorrow. Saturday the winds move to the North West and then Westerly on Sunday.Volcanic activity is on the increase at the moment with another volcano close by looking like it's activity is increasing too! Anyone fancy a game of cards??? |
johnraiders
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posted 04-15-2010 12:59 PM
I'll be checking DL too, if you hear for sure he's not coming anyway, please let me know, then I can cancel, Train, Hotel, Car. I cancelled air this morning to switch to train! |
moorouge
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posted 04-15-2010 01:15 PM
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Anyone fancy a game of cards?
Instead of playing cards you might like to try flightradar.com. As far as northern Europe is concerned it's almost as good as watching paint dry.  |
Tyrell's Owl
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posted 04-15-2010 01:21 PM
I can't see any way that the flight will come in tomorrow early enough. There is no way the US will let a flight leave without having the UK airspace open and that will not be confirmed till 6am GMT at the earliest. Which means Dr. Mitchell's flight would only leave the US AFTER that time. So I think the timings look like they are incredibly tight for a young fit high flyer to achieve let alone a 79 year old. I (like everyone) really hope it happens, but I can't see it. I think Ken should think about rescheduling for a later date.Also I agree with Andy and the others here, Ken is a really lovely guy and has always been an incredibly kind and helpful chap. I think any comments blaming him in anyway should just be treated with the contempt they deserve. I would like to say a huge thank you to Ken for trying to make this happen and I will always support any event that he manages to put on. Some things are just unavoidable. Thanks for the updates Andy! I hope you feel better soon. I think you will have to make your way through the mini bar. It's a tough job...  |
Steve Procter
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posted 04-15-2010 02:34 PM
NATS just announced airspace restrictions over UK to remain in place until 1300 tomorrow. |
johnraiders
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posted 04-15-2010 03:22 PM
As James May would say "----" |
Steve Procter
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posted 04-15-2010 03:27 PM
Maybe even a quote from Owen from the Vicar of Dibley!!I'm not party to Ed's travel arrangements but if he was flying into Manchester their arrivals board is already showing all tomorrow mornings North Atlantic inbound flights as 'Cancelled' including American, Delta and Continental. Just very, very cruel luck! |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-15-2010 03:41 PM
Dr Mitchell was/is due to land at Manchester on a Delta flight from Atlanta at 8.15am. The latest news suggests flights from the North Atlantic into Scotland will start as early as 1.00am and Delta Airlines in the US are saying that the flight is still on... curiouser and curiouser!!!! |
Steve Procter
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posted 04-15-2010 03:49 PM
Strangely enough I've just looked at the Atlanta airport website and the Delta flight to Manchester showing as cancelled at our end still seems to be a 'goer' from their end. Is it possible flights could be routed further South? We shall see... |
johnraiders
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posted 04-15-2010 03:57 PM
DL site now showing flight cancelled. |
StarDome
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posted 04-15-2010 04:25 PM
22:20pm UK time, Dr. Mitchell is awaiting return of his luggage from the aircraft and he will be making his return to Florida and home. As expected, all flights cancelled by Delta Airlines now for tomorrow and the only flight Dr Mitchell could get was next Wednesday which is of no use to any of us.With regret, we have to say that the whole event is now CANCELLED, all meals, Friday events etc. The plan is to reschedule for a future date. Believe me when I say, Ken and I are as disappointed as you all, and we tried our utmost to make this happen this weekend and things transpired against us! Please do support future events and visits. I will talk to Ken and will let you all know what the plan is re refunds/transfers etc. |
Steve Procter
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posted 04-15-2010 04:36 PM
Thanks for confirming 'officially' the situation some of us had already arrived at.I'm sorry we won't have the opportunity to meet Ed Mitchell this time but even more so I'm gutted for Ken, and the blood, sweat and tears he puts into these things. Chin up, Ken - it's such cruel luck, who could ever have foreseen the event not taking place due to volcano in Iceland! Your friends and supporters are with you and we look forward to the rearranged event when it can be sorted out, and indeed to your other future events. Thanks also to you Andy for the work you have put into this and for trying to keep us up to speed with what was happening. It's a disappointment, but it's not the end of the world. Keep smiling. |
johnraiders
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posted 04-15-2010 04:42 PM
Thanks for the update, a real shame. I had tickets for Man U Man C on Saturday as well, it was all too perfect.Hopefully it can be rescheduled. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-15-2010 04:51 PM
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Your friends and supporters are with you and we look forward to the rearranged event when it can be sorted out, and indeed to your other future events.
I hope everybody on this forum who intended going to the Mitchell event will show their support for Ken by keeping the cash in the event; the intention is to reschedule, a task that would be all the harder if people were to ask for their money back. |
Kite
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posted 04-15-2010 04:51 PM
Thanks Andy for keeping us informed. Its very disappointing but was inevitable I'm afraid. Tell Ken it is no way his responsibility and we will support him if he can rearrange for another date or for any future presentations. |
Tykeanaut
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posted 04-15-2010 05:05 PM
In no way is this Ken's fault for God's sake! We live on a planet and these things happen - at the wrong times unfortunately for us! Keep smiling and let's re-arrange it!! |
Blackarrow
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posted 04-15-2010 06:03 PM
I feel gutted for everyone who has lost the opportunity to attend this event, and particularly for those who worked so hard to put it all together, only to be beaten by events which nobody could have predicted. As it happens, I knew several months ago that work-related reasons would prevent me from attending, but that doesn't affect my sympathy for those who have lost out. A real shame. |
Blackarrow
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posted 04-15-2010 06:42 PM
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I think that you'll find that it was the publishers who pulled the plug on the magazine, not Nigel.
I have a copy of Issue 61 of "Spaceflight News" in front of me, dated January, 1991. There is a letter from a reader who said how pleased he was to have taken out a two-year subscription "after a little soul-searching." The editor replied that "the new subscription-only scheme is going from strength to strength and we thank readers for embracing the concept so readily."That was one of the last editions published. Like Colin Burgess, I lost out, but only for the best part of a one-year subscription. To deal with the point raised by Eddie [moorouge], there is an editorial comment that states: "Spaceflight News has split (amicably) from Key Publishing and is now independently owned and operated by the editorial team..." And for the benefit of Colin and everyone else who lost money, here's the key point: the editorial comment is signed: "NIGEL MACKNIGHT, EDITOR/PUBLISHER, SPACEFLIGHT NEWS." So, you're right Eddie, the plug WAS pulled by the publisher, but the publisher was the aforementioned Mr Macknight. Colin is not the only one with a long memory. |
StarDome
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posted 04-15-2010 06:54 PM
Thank you all, we are drowning our sorrows or propping up the bar as some would say. |
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posted 04-15-2010 06:58 PM
I refer you to my previous answer, but Nigel is still a nice guy, at least he had the bottle to fund/produce/write the magazine and try to promote space to the masses. |
Blackarrow
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posted 04-15-2010 07:22 PM
Andy, I grant you that "Spaceflight News" was a great magazine, but the way it ended left a sour taste in a lot of mouths. |
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posted 04-15-2010 09:43 PM
I hear ya, and concur Geoffrey and just to cap it all, I've had my cell/mobile phone stolen tonight... It's been one of those days.  |
moorouge
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posted 04-16-2010 06:06 AM
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And for the benefit of Colin and everyone else who lost money, here's the key point: the editorial comment is signed: "NIGEL MACKNIGHT, EDITOR/PUBLISHER, SPACEFLIGHT NEWS."
As a lawyer you should know that one should not always take things at face value. I stand by my original statement. |
moorouge
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posted 04-16-2010 07:29 AM
Just had a whisper that Ken is trying to re-arrange for the beginning of July. Let's hope he succeeds. |
StarDome
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posted 04-16-2010 07:49 AM
Looking at 2nd or 9th July at the moment subject to Dr. Mitchell's schedule. |
Tykeanaut
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posted 04-16-2010 08:27 AM
Let's keep everything crossed then and pray!! |
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posted 04-16-2010 08:41 AM
I will only be at the evening event if it's on the 2nd, and not at all for the 9th. |
Tykeanaut
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posted 04-16-2010 08:44 AM
Volcanoes permitting!! |
Paul23
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posted 04-16-2010 11:08 AM
I guess the good news of sorts for those that might miss him on the re-arranged date is he is scheduled to attend the Autumn Autographica this year. |
Blackarrow
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posted 04-16-2010 01:25 PM
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As a lawyer you should know that one should not always take things at face value. I stand by my original statement.
Sorry, you've lost me. Your original statement was that "the publishers" pulled the plug on SFN. I simply pointed out that Nigel Macknight signed his magazine's editorial as "Editor/Publisher, Spaceflight News." For good measure, there is a facsimile of his signature and a photograph of Mr Macknight. Have I missed something? Was he not the publisher, in spite of telling us he was the publisher? How should we take that except at face value? |
moorouge
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posted 04-16-2010 02:32 PM
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Sorry, you've lost me. Your original statement was that "the publishers" pulled the plug on SFN. I simply pointed out that Nigel Macknight signed his magazine's editorial as "Editor/Publisher, Spaceflight News."
Apologies. I was simply trying to point out that the situation was more complicated than would seem at first glance. |
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posted 04-18-2010 09:59 AM
Just thought you would all like to see the message from Dr Mitchell that I just received. "It looks like we got entangled in a colossal fiasco with the Iceland volcano and such. Our plane was turned back as we approached Iceland and the volcanic cloud on the way to Manchester. Only late on Thursday were all flights to Europe finally cancelled, but I was able to return from Atlanta late Thursday evening. Please convey my best wishes to the various audiences and my sorrow that Nature handed us this problem to deal with. But that is life. I hope to see all as soon as we can get it all together again, Edgar Mitchell" A nice gesture from a nice man. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-25-2010 04:10 PM
Ken Willoughby has confirmed Dr Edgar Mitchell has rescheduled his trip to the UK for July.The venue for the public lecture may yet change but the dinner is now planned for Thursday July 1st at the original hotel venue with the public lecture the following evening, Friday July 2nd. I will confirm the venue for the evening lecture just as soon as I hear anything. Editor's note: See rescheduled event information here. |
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