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Ben Evans
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posted 11-26-2002 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben Evans   Click Here to Email Ben Evans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read a Polish website (unfortunately it doesn't translate to English) which has a list of upcoming Shuttle crew details. However, none of them have been confirmed by NASA. Can anyone either confirm or otherwise that these details are accurate?

STS-118 Columbia ISS-13A.1, S-5, Spacehab
CDR: Scott Kelly
PLT: Charles Hobaugh
MS: Carlos Noriega
MS: Don Thomas
MS: Stephanie Wilson
MS: Lisa Nowak

STS-119 Atlantis ISS-15A, S-6
CDR: Pam Melroy
PLT: Alan Poindexter
MS: TBD
MS: TBD
ISS: Leroy Chiao
ISS: Salizhan Sharipov
ISS: John Phillips

STS-121 Endeavour ISS-ULF-2, MPLM
CDR: TBD
PLT: TBD
MS: Paolo Nespoli
MS: Barbara Morgan
ISS: Sasha Kaleri
ISS: Dmitri Kondratyev
ISS: Charlie Camarda

STS-122 Columbia HST SM-4
CDR: TBD
PLT: TBD
MS: Claude Nicollier
MS: Scott Parazynski
MS: TBD

STS-123 Columbus Module
CDR: TBD
PLT: TBD
MS: Jean-Francois Clervoy
MS: TBD
ISS: Dan Tani
ISS: Thomas Reiter
ISS: Pavel Vinogradov

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posted 11-26-2002 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
None of it is official, it is all based on inside speculative information. 118 is the one of those you can bet on, probably be announced soon. Expect 119 and 120 announcements in January/Feb.

Hubble is now moved to STS-124 in 2005.

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posted 11-27-2002 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robonaut   Click Here to Email Robonaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ben Evans

Assuming you are the Ben Evans I know has the latest 'CapCom' landed on your doorstep yet? I have put a lot of 'unofficial' crew details in my latest article. Your Polish site has obviously got a little bit more information than me on upcoming shuttle crews but where we both have details they are the same. This may not be corroboration of the crews though because the information may be coming from the same originating source? My information came from several places, posts on CollectSpace & Astroaddies and a Czech website.

Czech site link for ISS crews:-
http://www.zeto.czest.pl/astro/loty/isscrew1.htm

What is your link to the Polish site?

A few extra points:

1. On another thread on CollectSpace someone (sorry cannot remember who) posted that Kaleri was to replace Moshenko on the crew of ISS-7. If that is correct then I doubt Kaleri would fly again on STS-121. This was the second time Moshenko had been replaced on ISS-7 so I await any official announcement with interest.
2. If Ben E's line up for shuttle ISS crews is correct does anyone know what happened to the crew of Padalka, Fincke and Kononenko, who were originally due to fly as ISS-9 but later reported to be swopping with ISS-10. They appear to have gone missing. Pure speculation on my part next, but Padalka would be an obvious replacement for Kaleri on STS-121's ISS crew.
3. Talk on web-sites has been rather pessimistic about non-US astronauts getting shuttle flights (ISS crews excepted) so as long as the crews prove to be correct it is nice to see plenty of ESA involvement.

Best wishes

Rob Wood

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posted 11-27-2002 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moshenko's replacement on ISS-7 is official. Rosviakosmos spoke to ITAR-TASS, which subsequently reported the crew change several weeks ago.

You can see Kaleri's name on the STS-114 patch here: http://www.spacepatches.info/sts/114artsmall.JPG

Regarding ISS-9 and ISS-10, I have heard rumors that the ISS-9 mission may be cancelled completely and that ISS-8 and ISS-10 will have extended stays to make up for the difference.

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posted 11-27-2002 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The current plan is for ISS 10 to fly before 9.

If Kaleri is on Exp 7 now, then no, probably not again on a future exp. crew. Maybe Moshenko has been pulled, or maybe he was bumped.

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posted 11-27-2002 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moshenko was reportedly pulled from the flight due to a lack of English skills, affecting his ability to train for EVA and flight operations.

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posted 11-27-2002 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robonaut   Click Here to Email Robonaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. What Robert says about ISS-9 being cancelled completely, would fit with Ben E's list.

2. Robert's reason for Moshenko's replacement fits with what I had heard.

Best wishes

Rob Wood

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posted 11-29-2002 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben Evans   Click Here to Email Ben Evans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Rob, hope all is well. Give my regards to Jill. I've just received my copy of CapCom and incidentally my 'Polish' site is one and the same with the Czech site you were talking about. I though it was Polish because it had the '.pl' suffix on the end of its address. Eitherway, it's not English, but as you said the names are instantly recognisable.

One point I'd like to make is that it seems ISS expedition crews will be spending six-month (rather than four-month) increments from next year. If you look at www.spaceflight.nasa.gov, under the Future Missions tab, you will see that ISS expedition crew exchanges are scheduled every six months from July 2003 onwards. So it would seem that the following will be the case:

ISS-8 crew (Foale, McArthur, Tokarev) flies from July 2003-January 2004. They launch on STS-116 and land on STS-119

ISS-10 crew (Chiao, Phillips, Sharipov) flies from January 2004-July 2004. They launch on STS-119 and land on STS-121.

ISS-11 crew (Tani, Reiter and Kaleri/whoever) flies from July 2004-January 2005. They launch on STS-121 and land on an unspecified mission.

I'm none the wiser about the disappearing ISS-9 crew. Bermuda Triangle, perhaps?

It does, however, make more sense to me. For a few months, I had assumed the ISS-8/9 crew changeover would occur on STS-118. So I was more than a little confused to learn that a six-person crew is assigned to this mission (with the ISS-9 crew as well, that would mean a record-breaking and unlikely nine-person crew).

It's nice to see that the first non-US expedition crew member (Reiter) will be flying in 2004on ISS-11. I'm annoyed that it's taken so long. After all, the Russians have only been in the project since '93 and everyone else since '84 and yet the Russians are getting at least one of their cosmonauts on every expedition crew. I expect that when Columbus and Kibo are launched, we'll see more European and Japanese expedition crews.

Ben

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posted 11-29-2002 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Ben Evans

I hope this question isn't too personal and if it is please forgive me and don't bother responding.

I notice you are from England. I have always admired the English for their great tradtion of space flight. Orinizations such as The British Interplanity Society and people such as Arthur Clarke and Patrick Moore to name just a few. Where would we be if not for their forsight?

But the UK isn't part of the ISS. Doesn't that bother you and the other English space flight enthusiasts? I have read stories about English people who have become Americans for no other reason then to fly in space and that the British take great pride in them.

This seems just a bit sad to me. I would not want to give up my citizanship to do the things I want to do. Why doesn't the UK become part of the ISS project?

[This message has been edited by Gordon Reade (edited November 29, 2002).]

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posted 11-29-2002 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gordon,

England/UK is a member of the European Space Agency (ESA)..ESA represents many European countries in the ISS project.

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posted 11-29-2002 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Ben

Although the UK is a member of the ESA it was my understanding that they are not a part of the ISS project.

But maybe I'm wrong. Can anyone help us out by giving us the names the some English Astronuts?

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posted 11-29-2002 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robonaut   Click Here to Email Robonaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gordon

For many years respective UK Governments have showed little interest in Human Spaceflight. Earth resouces and a few military satellites have normally taken up most of our miserly space budgets. The sort of programmes that interest very few and excite even less. Sometimes we would join in with co-operative science ventures with our ESA partners but I always got the feeling these were because it was occasionally necessary to get our share in ESA contracts rather than any genuine desire for science.

ESA's Ariane launcher programme was something we had no involvement in for many years until fairly recently when we belatedly joined in with Ariane 5. I understand the UK Government's view was why waste money on our own launchers when US launchers can do the job for us. Our Government probably did not expect the project to lead to a successful launcher family. I think we joined the Ariane 5 programme because we thought we were losing out on ESA contracts.

More recently we seemed to have improved a little. Earth resources is still considered the most important area but at least we have shown a little more enthusiasm for science and space exploration projects. For example the 'Beagle 2' Mars lander project.

Unfortunately for us Human Spaceflight enthusiasts we have no involvement in this area. We do not put any money into ESA's manned missions and are therefore not entitled to an ESA astronaut. There was a rumour a few years ago that NASA was very interested in a UK experiment that may fly to ISS and which might be accompanied by a British payload specialist. I think the UK Government was originally interested because it was suggested that NASA would give a free ride for a full share in the experiment results. Unfortunately nothing seems to have come from these rumours. Perhaps our Government were told it was not a free ride and then lost interest?

If you think I am being a bit hard on our Governments well I'm sorry, but that is exactly what I mean to be! I think it was in the mid 1980's that the then British Government removed the person in charge of the British National Space Centre (BNSC - our space agency) because he said that we should spend some money on space and be involved in manned programmes. One story I heard was that the Government instructed that if anyone employed by the BNSC mentioned manned programmes they should be removed from their job. I am not sure this last story is true but it could only have been told in the UK!

So, for us Brits our only hope of spacefight is to become an American as Foale, Sellers and Patrick have done. They are living the dream and good luck to them I say. I consider they are US astronauts not British. Britain has only one flown astronaut and that is Helen Sharman in May 1991, for which we have to thank Russian generosity. We were due to have two payload specialists flown on the cheap in 1986 - 1987 but the Challenger explosion ended that. They were due to accompany 'Skynet' military spy satellites, which were to be launched by the shuttle. Nigel Wood and Peter Longhurst would have been the payload specialists.

Apologies if I have got any of the above details wrong but most of it has been done from memory so dates may be a bit off.

Gordon, you said the British take great pride in our US astronauts, I think that is true but I for one take pride in all of Earth's astronauts no matter where they come from.

One final point, I think I am right on our Nationality laws that Foale, Sellers and Patrick are considered to have dual citizenship or to put it another way no matter what they have sworn to in the US our law still considers them to be British.

Best wishes

Rob Wood

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Dear Rob

Thank you for your reply. I think it's safe to say that over the last 500 years no one has done more for the advancement of science and exploration then the English.

My most prized space colletables are letters and e-mails I have recived from Arthur Clarke because no living person has done more for space flight then he has.

Once the UK gets back into the exploration business they'll show the rest of us how to do it.

P.S. I can't imagine any American science project being named "Beagle 2" or Beagle anything else. We have people in this country who are convinsed that Darwin was the anti-Christ and to bame for all our problems!

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Gordon,
Sadly, I can only reiterate Rob Wood's comments about UK astronauts. Successive UK governments have done serious damage to Britain's standing in space affairs and we are falling further and further behind the rest of the world. It is to people like Helen Sharman, Mike Foale, Piers Sellers and Nick Patrick that I look for inspiration.
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Ben

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posted 12-04-2002 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben Evans   Click Here to Email Ben Evans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case anyone hasn't seen it, here's the press release that confirms Rob Wood's earlier comments. Looks like Kaleri is set for an ISS mission in 2003.

RELEASE: 02-235

EXPEDITION FIVE BACKUP CREWMEMBER NAMED TO EXPEDITION SEVEN

Russian cosmonaut Alexander Kaleri has been named to
replace Sergei Moschenko as a prime crewmember for Expedition
Seven. Kaleri joins astronaut Ed Lu and Russian cosmonaut
Yuri Malenchenko in training for the long-term increment
aboard the International Space Station next year.

Kaleri was a member of the backup crew for Expedition Five,
currently returning home aboard Space Shuttle Endeavour. He's
also a veteran cosmonaut, having lived aboard the Russian
Space Station Mir during three separate long-term missions:
145 days in 1992, 197 days in 1996 and 73 days in 2000.

Russian officials proposed the crew change to the
Multilateral Crew Operations Panel, and the Panel approved
the action on October 10, 2002.

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Skynet? Wasn't that the defense (defence) system that took over the world in the Terminator movies?

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is CAPCOM? (I know what it is in reality), is this a magazine or journal? Where might I find it and how does one subscribe?

Thanks in advance,
Andrew.

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Originally posted by sapper82:
Excuse my ignorance, but what is CAPCOM? (I know what it is in reality), is this a magazine or journal? Where might I find it and how does one subscribe?

Thanks in advance,
Andrew.


Hi Andrew

CapCom is published by Midlands Spaceflight Society. We are basically a group of spaceflight enthusiasts that mainly live in the central or middle area of England (UK). The area is known in the UK as the Midlands, hence our title. I should point out that there is no rule that you have to live in the Midlands to be a member.

CapCom is our bi-monthly magazine. It is not a glossy magazine or a technical journal but a reprographed magazine, which started out as a newsletter of a few pages but now regularly runs to 12 to 20 pages. It covers society news, current spaceflight news and spaceflight history. It is very good but then I would say that as I contribute a regular column covering astronaut news of all nations. The cost is 8 English pounds for one year membership including the magazine for people living in the UK. I do not believe we have any overseas members but would probably have to charge a bit more to cover postage if we did.

We have a website, address below:-
http://www.midspace.org.uk/

Amongst our members are spaceflight historian and author David J Shayler and fellow CollectSpace message posters Mark Farnell and Ben Evans (are there any others?).

Please feel free to ask me any other questions.

Best wishes

Rob Wood

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