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Topic: Add a cachet to a space cover or not?
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yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-23-2009 07:19 PM
Seeing the X-15 cover in Space Cover 002: The X-15's Teething Pains started a debate on add-on cachets with collectors having distinct opinions for and against.Situation: You purchase a cover that is postmarked in 1960 or 1961 with a nice cancel but no cachet for the event (manned, unmanned launch, X-15 etc.). Do you create a cachet and print it on the cover with your printer or do you not add a cachet at all because adding one now is not from that time period. What are your thoughts? |
albatron Member Posts: 2732 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 07-23-2009 09:07 PM
That's an interesting question Tom. Do you think it devalues the cover? I have an old Boy Scout X-15 cover with no date on it but a cancel (I suspect the date was accidentally left off). I added some art to it, and have been using it to get drop pilots to sign. Not one of my best pieces... but since I'm adding drop pilots its not bad. |
albatron Member Posts: 2732 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 07-23-2009 09:10 PM
I didnt really mean "accidentally left off". I think the breaker bar made it on the envelope and the date MISSED. Its in the upper right corner. Sheesh. LOL |
yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-23-2009 09:37 PM
Thanks for replying Al!In the debate that started this I am "for" adding as I think having the cachet adds to the cover by describing the event. But, obviously there those who thought it "ruined" the cover by having a modern add-on. So I thought I'd toss it out and see what everyone else thinks! I happen to like the cachet on Micropooz's cover - to me it's a lot better than if I were looking at the cover when it had no cachet. |
micropooz Member Posts: 1512 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 07-24-2009 06:12 AM
Well, lem'me ring in here since it's my cover in question.Given the choice between one of these with the add-on cachet and one without, I would probably have taken the one without. But these early captive flight covers are so scarce, I had to jump at this one because I may never have the chance to get another. Why would I have picked the non-cacheted version? I think that a too-modern add-on cachet can distract from the cover. If someone wanted to add a cachet, in my eyes, it should be similar to the cachets of the era. Plus this particular add-on cachet, done by computer printer, is already starting to degrade (you can see some patches of degradation on it in the scan). A good solid printed cachet or rubber stamp (both simiilar to cachets available at the time) wouldn't degrade like that. Just my 2 cents...and, no, ya' vultures, I'm not dissatisfied with this cover to the point of wanting to trade it!! lol |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 07-24-2009 07:40 AM
My prime choice would be to have the cover signed by the astronaut/pilot who flew the mission (if he's still amongst us). Unless you had a vintage sticker or cachet design dating from the time period of the cover, I'd rather leave it blank. No modern cachet, in my opinion. |
albatron Member Posts: 2732 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 07-24-2009 11:04 AM
Thanks for starting it Tom - great topic!I can see both sides of the story. I too like Dennis' cover. Adding what I did to mine (I'll scan it tonight if anyone's interested) I believe, detracted. The contrast between modern printing as Dennis says, and the old rubber stamp is quite obvious. Plus another problem comes to light. It misaligned in the printer so it printed higher than I wanted it to, and part of it over a signature. You always run the risk of a signed cover of ruining it. Not usually a problem if you have a spare and the guys still alive, but... I did take one of the blank covers with the B-29 and YB-49 stamps, and added cachets to them that Bob Cardenas had previously signed, and they came out nicely. But an older cover? I'm not so sure now. I'm sorry to hear the printing on Dennis' cover is problematic now. I use an old Epson Stylus with archival ink so I think that problem is eliminated. |
yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-24-2009 03:49 PM
What about a FDC (like the numerous Project Mercury) or a satellite or missile launch? For example I have an uncacheted cover for the first Minuteman launch and one that matches to Ariel 1. Same thoughts or does it change based on manned vs. unmanned event?Al, how about posting the scan? |
albatron Member Posts: 2732 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 07-24-2009 10:10 PM
Well I offered to and my scanner tanked. Soon I can I'll get it out.That's a great example Tom. I've used those Project Mercury stamped covers w/o cachets to make up some for Glenn's flight, and for the Mercury 13 gals to boot. I think the difference is (in my opinion and point) is there's not an older cachet already on them or the potential to ruin the signature (if there). Again, to me, and in my humble opinion only. I don't think there's a right or wrong. |
NAAmodel#240 Member Posts: 312 From: Boston, Mass. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 07-25-2009 11:45 AM
My covers looked rather boring before I had them jazzed up. |
yeknom-ecaps Member Posts: 660 From: Northville MI USA Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 07-25-2009 09:41 PM
David - Nice covers!!!! Are they all hand-painted? |
NAAmodel#240 Member Posts: 312 From: Boston, Mass. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 08-01-2009 05:21 PM
They are the artwork of Ed Hengeveld. While I see myself as a purist and would ordinarily steer clear of an "add-on" these either teach you about the event, evoke emotion, or both. In my opinion, the add-on should be done judiciously. |
SpaceyInMN Member Posts: 355 From: Andover, MN Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 09-23-2014 09:24 PM
Sorry to resurrect an old thread. I'm very new to philatelic covers, and don't have much knowledge of them. I do have a couple that I have acquired that do not have a cachet. One is an FDC of the Apollo 8 stamp signed by Frank Borman. The other is one signed by Charlie Duke and cancelled April 16, 1972. After reading this thread, I wouldn't even attempt to add a stamped or printed contemporary cachet to the covers.My question is, then, what others think of adding original, quality artwork to the cover. (I apologize, but I don't know if original artwork is also termed a "cachet" or not.) I know some very talented artists that would, I'm certain, do an outstanding job in adding some artwork to these covers, but I don't want to ruin them, of course. I didn't pay a tremendous amount for either one, so I'm not terribly concerned about the monetary value of them. I'm just thinking of their visual appeal should I choose to display them. They are very plain at the moment. As a second part to this, if you are in the camp that it is okay to add original, quality artwork, is pencil acceptable, or would ink or paint be preferable? Thoughtful comments are appreciated. Again, I'm very new to covers, so I apologize if my inquiry seems silly to more veteran collectors. |
NAAmodel#240 Member Posts: 312 From: Boston, Mass. Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 10-15-2014 07:02 PM
I think your question is quite valid. For Astrophilatelists the artwork (aka cachet) serves to to edify as well as add color. B&W or color, paint or pencil is up to you. I suggest that whatever you pick is appropriate for the era. I steer clear of ink jet printing and rubber stamps. Original art is always nice. |
cvrlvr99 Member Posts: 139 From: Arlington, TX Registered: Aug 2014
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posted 11-01-2014 02:41 PM
I have a cover with only the letters LLRV rubber stamped as a cachet and the AU of Joe Walker. When I exhibited this, the majority of viewers had no idea what the LLRV stood for (Lunar Landing Research Vehicle). So I found a stamp showing one and mounted it alongside. Results: Highly negative. Don't put stamps in a cover exhibit, I've been chastised from several quarters. The only way that I could show the value of an LLRV cover in its role of "How We Got Men to the Moon," which is the title of my 8 frame exhibit, was to add a line drawing cachet showing the vehicle and the text, "Lunar Landing Research Vehicle." Adding a cachet to help understand it better, and/or adding one of the gorgeous hand drawn cachets appearing earlier in this link is something that I think makes a much better cover. We do a lot of things in this hobby based on what each of us as individuals like and that helps keep our hobby alive and fun. I don't know how to add it to this, but I'll show it later in SCOTW. — Ray E. Cartier |