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Sceptic1
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posted 02-27-2011 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sceptic1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to collectSPACE, mooncollector (I'm a newbie too)!

Gene Dorr briefly mentions the LM-1 patch you refer to on the unflown patches page of his website.

Apparently, the ascent engine of the LM was fired while the ascent and descent stages were still attached, which is why the LM appears to be exploding!

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Funny this should come up - I had just been thinking about this (LM-1 patch) and was going to suggest/request that Chris (a.k.a. spaced-out) consider doing that one - or indeed why not the Grumman Lunar Module patch?

Ok, while I'm on a roll, was there ever any consensus on the authenticity or lack thereof of the LM-13 logo (someone produced a nice looking patch, but there was some doubt apparently if that was based on a real Grumman logo. If it was, then Chris you might have some interested buyers of that patch as well.

Finally, the link provided earlier in this thread seems to be broken. I recently bought at auction a sample of LM-11 mylar discarded during its fit check, and so I want to get a high-res scan to print to use in a small display. I'd much appreciate it if anyone who has one that can send me a copy.

Finally, newbies Skeptic1 and mooncollector, welcome, and definitely check out Chris' CrewPatches.com website - his current LM patch series is really well-done.

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posted 03-01-2011 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since many of you are likely to have a few extras lying around I thought it might make things easier for collectors if I offer trades for those looking to buy my replica patches.

I would be looking for certain Lion Brothers patches (7-11, 13, Skylab project, ASTP, and some of their STS patches), and most vintage bare back AB Emblem patches. I can only take patches that are really in very fine to near mint condition - no stained, scruffy, warped or floppy patches.

Trade value depends on the patch but as an example I could probably trade a typical LB Apollo patch from the list above in v. fine condition for two examples of one of my replicas. A good LB Apollo 11 I could maybe trade for two different replicas.

Please email me directly if you're interested.

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posted 03-10-2011 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I apologize for the delay in the release of the LM-7 patch. Unfortunately the final delivery is currently tied up in customs. With luck I should have them in my hands sometime next week.

The LM-5, 9 and 11 may be ready sometime in April to early May. LM-4 will be the last in the series, and likely ready in May.

butch wilks
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posted 03-10-2011 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to see you are not going to do a LM project patch or LM-13 like we see at the start of this post, but all the same it has some fantastic looking patches in the set.

Thank you for doing them.

spaced out
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posted 03-10-2011 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I quite like that LM-13 patch but I've never seen decal artwork for that spacecraft. I suspect that this is a fantasy patch design created in the last few years. As such it doesn't form part of the current LM insignia set which is based on period Grumman artwork.

In any case when the LM patch set (as currently defined) is finished I'll see what other projects I can tackle.

ddrwilli
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posted 03-13-2011 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ddrwilli   Click Here to Email ddrwilli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LM-13 patch from earlier in this thread is mine, and I cannot disagree with spaced out's assessment. As I said then; I had not seen this design before or since. In addition, nobody in this thread has said that they recognize the design or know anything about it. (Also, I notice that the Lunar Module artwork in the LM-13 patch is practically a copy of that in the LM-10 emblem.)

That being said, the LM-13 patch is 5” square and has a bare thread back. I bought it in an eBay auction in March 2003. I paid $16.10 plus shipping and handling.

I don't know anything else about it.

astroborg
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posted 03-14-2011 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroborg   Click Here to Email astroborg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say that if the LM-13 patch has no base decal or sticker, then it shouldn't be under consideration. The LM-1/Apollo 5 patch is a different case, and I would love to have a good replica of it.

My $.02 worth...

andrewcli
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posted 03-14-2011 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was a drawing/decal ever made for LM-3, spider? I saw a patch a while back and it was crude compared to the other drawings. I'm just surprised they didn't have one.

butch wilks
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posted 03-14-2011 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering if some one/Chris has asked Grumman public relations if they would have the info we're looking for as they made the lunar modules (LMs) and as Chris has put down, the decals were used on the paperwork for each of the LMs.

If that is so, the decals for: LM-1, LM-3, LM-13 and the LM project decal will be on the paperwork that goes with the LMs would it not?

It may be just a case of asking Grumman or the new friends that have added to this post. I do hope so.

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posted 03-14-2011 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My impression is that in patch/decal terms there was a divide between the Grumman staff working at Bethpage and those working at the KSC.

Someone at Bethpage decided it would be good to have an insignia for the spacecraft they were working on and the LM-4 decal was created. This started a 'tradition' of sorts so designs were created for each subsequent spacecraft.

Over at the KSC, the Grumman staff worked with the spacecraft when they were delivered as part of an Apollo mission, thus LM-1 was a key part of Apollo 5 and it was likely someone at the KSC who decided to create the LM-1 / APOLLO-5 patch, and the Grumman KSC patches.

This may have created something of a parallel tradition for the Grumman staff at KSC (which peaked at around 1,400 for Apollo 11), whereby Apollo patches were produced by/for the Grumman staff there for each mission.

These limited run patches may include one of the rare varieties of Apollo 9 patch, and of course the 'Grumman' Apollo 10 crew patch, the 'Grumman' Apollo 11 patch etc...

It would only have taken one guy who was keen on producing patches, or maybe someone with a family connection at a patch company, to get the tradition started and to keep producing patches for each mission.

This is all speculation but I think this explains why we see decals or patches for some missions and not others.

spaced out
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posted 03-18-2011 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick update to say that unfortunately the LM-7 patches are still blocked somewhere in customs.

Hopefully things will get sorted out soon (in the next week or two) but in the worst case the package may end up going back to AB for re-delivery (which would probably take several weeks in all).

benguttery
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posted 03-18-2011 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, French Customs... I saw an American school teacher attempt to "smuggle" a salami into a French Protectorate. You would have thought it was some kind of shoulder launched missile. The embassy worked for a week to secure its rescue.

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posted 04-02-2011 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LM-7 patches have finally made it out of customs.

See the full announcement in this thread.

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posted 04-02-2011 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For info, the next patch is anything from a week to a month away depending on delivery times and the vagaries of customs.

astroborg
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posted 04-03-2011 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroborg   Click Here to Email astroborg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Chris - the detail on LM-7 is outstanding!

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posted 04-07-2011 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astroborg:
Wow, Chris - the detail on LM-7 is outstanding!

I received my LM-7s today (Thurs 7/4)...The photo doesn't do this one justice, folks. The detail and shading are simply gorgeous "in the flesh." This might be my favorite of the series so far.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-07-2011 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would have to agree. The detailing in the mountains give the scene an almost 3D effect when the patch is tilted slightly from side to side. Great job Chris.

backof
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posted 04-07-2011 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for backof   Click Here to Email backof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I echo all the praise for the project and the actual patches. However, one point I haven't heard mentioned yet are the beautiful envelopes that the patches are shipped in. Totally unexpected and something just as beautiful as the patches they contain!

I eagerly await each new installment. Keep up the excellent work!

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posted 04-07-2011 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes...the envelopes are VERY cool You better believe I'm saving those.

astroborg
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posted 04-08-2011 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroborg   Click Here to Email astroborg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm saving all the envelopes, too. They're almost like having a first day cover. I think it was a very cool touch on Chris' part.

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posted 04-13-2011 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Due to a combination of packages currently lost in limbo and a planned short break on my part, the next patch(es) in the series will most likely go on sale the weekend after next - April 22-23.

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posted 04-22-2011 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LM-11 patches are now ready for sale:

See the announcement here.

Tom
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posted 04-22-2011 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris... sorry if it's been discussed earlier, but are there any any early drawings of a LM-2 patch?

Has there ever been any thoughts of creating a patch for LM-2?

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posted 04-22-2011 11:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris, just sent payment for #s 7 and 11. I know they'll be great as always.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tom:
Has there ever been any thoughts of creating a patch for LM-2?
I've never seen any insignia for LM-2, although that doesn't mean there isn't one of course.

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posted 04-29-2011 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LM-9 patch is now available:

See this thread for the full announcement.

Note that I hope to have LM-4 sometime next week and LM-5 not too long afterwards.

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 05-01-2011 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris, received my LM-7 and 11 patches. As the others they are really great. Thanks a lot.

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posted 05-04-2011 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LM-4 patch is now available:

See this thread for the full announcement.

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posted 05-04-2011 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randyc   Click Here to Email randyc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad to see that you went with the 'cut' version of the LM-4 patch Chris.

It looks great!

I've already placed my order and look forward to adding it to my collection of LM patches that I bought from you.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 05-05-2011 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great job of LM-4 Chris. Looks just great.

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posted 05-12-2011 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick update to say that I hope to get the final patch in the series - LM-5 - sometime next week.

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 05-12-2011 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris, thanks a lot for two great patches: LM 4 and 9.

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posted 05-16-2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just received my LM-4s and LM-9s from Chris, and both look terrific, as expected. I'll add my sentiments to those praising Chris's decision to go with a "cut" design for LM-4...Now that I have one in my hands, all I can say is "Good call."

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The LM-5 patch is now available:

... and of course the full set of 9 patches:

Please see this post for the full announcement.

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posted 05-23-2011 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received my LM-5s today; I now have the complete set.

They'll look gorgeous framed together, and make a terrific visual tribute to the people who designed, built, and flew that utterly unique machine.

Thanks again to Chris Spain for going to the effort and expense of producing these, and to AB Emblem for doing an outstanding job converting some very difficult artwork into embroidery.

Now, Chris...what's next? No pressure

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 05-24-2011 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My collection of LM patches is "complete", too. A great set of patches.

Many thanks to Chris for going through all these challenges to get this on it's way. AB Emblem did a great job and Chris much more of that to discuss this with AB and to organize all the needed things.

Again, thanks a lot for a wonderful LM patch set.

dog320
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posted 05-24-2011 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dog320     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As another very impressed and satisfied customer I'd just like to add my congratulations to Chris for a job well done. For those still sitting on the fence for whatever reason - don't. The set is really excellent and a fitting tribute to the Grumman - NASA LM team.

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posted 05-24-2011 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lm5eagle   Click Here to Email lm5eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A truely wonderful set of patches, Chris.

This project will have given you a load of work - I think collectors now owe you a well deserved break.

Besixdouze
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posted 05-24-2011 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Besixdouze   Click Here to Email Besixdouze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to echo the sentiments expressed here, this has proven to be a superlative piece of work of which Chris can feel justifiably proud. The research and attention to detail as well as the accomplishment in guaranteeing the patches reflect the artists original intent has been outstanding. A first class job all round.


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