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KAPTEC
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posted 04-14-2008 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the different Earth color is not a light angle effect: there are two colors in three names-"Tim"-patch: dark blue in center and light in borders of the Earth. It is quite different from the others with a totally light blue Earth. (Of course stars, names position and "e" vs "E" makes the patches very animated).

I agree Robert about to wait to the AB four names instead to make it with another company but... anytime will be on board the ISS a three names patch? I do not believe it.

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posted 04-17-2008 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a reminder that if you want to order the three name patch, you have less than two weeks.

I plan to contact AB with the issues raised about the differences in the patches. I'll write again when I have their answer.

My goal is for everyone to be aware of exactly what they are getting.

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posted 04-18-2008 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just looked at the HD replay of yesterday's ISS change of command, and I noticed, after Dr. Reisman changed into his Expedition 17 flight suit, that he was wearing the three name version of the patch while Volkov and Kononenko wore the four name version.

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posted 04-18-2008 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that the three-name version has been seen in space and we know that the only way of getting that three-name version is through a custom order with AB, are we all back on track about ordering the three-name patch, as originally suggested/planned?

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posted 04-21-2008 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As promised I have contacted AB Emblem with these questions that Jacques emailed me. Their entire reply:
Every emblem is sent for approval through the astronaut office. Many times, the astronauts will make subtle changes on the designs after the graphic has been sent out to public domain. The changes in the designs which we manufacture after their final approval reflect the "official" approved design. Expedition 17 went through several revisions before being finally approved. Therefore, the uniqueness of the final designs are based solely on the requests of the astronauts themselves and will not necessarily reflect the original graphic which was sent out to the public.
Unfortunately they did not address each separate concern Jacques expressed. Maybe they were too busy, I don't know. Decide if you want to order a three name patch based on the availble information.

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quote:
Originally posted by KAPTEC:
...anytime will be on board the ISS a three names patch? I do not believe it.
Jorge, believe it...


And zooming in on the Expedition 17 patch...


You can also see Garrett Reisman wearing the same patch.

As for any remaining color/design differences, I would suggest that the illustration AB provided Tim was of a prototype patch and not the final production version as evidenced by the stars being offset.

I would be surprised if the patch we receive is not identical to the one hanging in the ISS as pictured above or as Reisman is seen wearing in the linked photo.

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posted 04-21-2008 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hunt   Click Here to Email Bill Hunt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fascinating. Reisman (in that linked image of the crew) is wearing the three-name version, but it still has the little dot near his name. Meanwhile, the three-name version without the dot goes up on the station bulkhead. And Volkov and Kononenko are both wearing the four-name verison, except that you can tell the patches are clearly of different manufacture, or were at least an earlier prototype. The thread colors are visibly different. So frankly, it seems as if the ONLY patch that isn't in space right now is the blank one that AB is selling to the public (unless someone posts a picture of that patch in orbit too)!

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posted 04-22-2008 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And it looks like both patches (Reisman and Volkov/Kononenko) do have the "e" instead of an "E" in the name Kononenko.

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posted 04-22-2008 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Jorge, believe it...
As we said here in Spain I must to eat my words...

You had the reason and I beg your pardon: here is the three names one. So we have (by the moment) two "official" patches, the three (on ISS) and the four (launch day) names... Will we get all of them, 3-4-5, but the no names as official patches at last?

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Okay, now where did the black background come from? Unless it is a trick of the lighting, it looks like the four name patch in the pic Robert linked to is black vice blue. This is getting weird!

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posted 04-22-2008 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well then let's start making the three name patch as seen on ISS.

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posted 04-22-2008 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree you Jacques. Tim, go ahead!

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posted 05-05-2008 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The special order has been placed. I should have them in hand in about four weeks. I am already preparing the packets to send them out to you all.

(I included with the order a copy of the picture of the patch as it was being attached to the bulkhead of the ISS - so there will be no confusion.)

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When the STS-124 arrived in Florida for their TCDT, was Greg Chamitoff wearing a three name Expedition 17 patch (Volkov, Kononenko, Chamitoff) or a four name version (with Reisman and Chamitoff) on the "American" side?

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posted 05-07-2008 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chamitoff was wearing the four-name version:

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posted 06-07-2008 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The patches arrived and I am very pleased with the quality!

I have mailed all of the individual orders yesterday first class USPS. The patches look great and you'll soon see for yourselves.

I do have a few left for those who want to get in on it now. Email me if interested.

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The ISS now has the four name version onboard! I think we need to start making these now!

Notice how Garrett has velcroed the three name one to his leg (the photo must have been taken just after they changed the patches).

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Latest photos coming down from the ISS show three different versions of the ISS-17 crew patch being worn by crewmembers! Check out photo S124-E-007918:

4 name version (Reisman and Chamitoff)
3 name version (Reisman)
3 name version (Chamitoff)

All official crew patches!

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posted 06-10-2008 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is interesting...

So we have to make a three name version with Chamitoff's name then...

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I think that would be a good idea actually, because if AB aren't making named versions then we might as well make all official versions of the patch in my opinion, including the three name Chamitoff and four name variations. The few of us that buy these will be able to proudly say 'I own every single version of the Expedition 17 patch!'

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I support this very strongly. Can we have a three name (Chamitoff) and a four name version made? Is there wide enough support for this?

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I'm in too for the other two patches. I hope it will not be the same way with the Expedition 18 and all of the future Expedition patches. It will drive everyone crazy.

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The four-name version will be available from AB (either by retail or special order) after the expedition.

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posted 06-11-2008 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm agree with you Mike. And I'm in too for Chamitoff one.

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I'll go for the two other versions as well.

But with all of the different versions, it gets very confusing for our visitors to our Challenger Space Center. Those who aren't in the know, don't understand why there is four different versions of the same patch on our display.

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Anticipating this, I've already contacted AB and we can special order both the three-name "Volkov - Konnonenko - Chamitoff" as well as the four name "Volkov - Konnonenko - Reisman - Chamitoff" versions right now. The cost will be $5 each plus $2 for shipping.

I will give everyone until the end of June to send me their payment. I will place the order on July 1 and expect delivery by the end of July.

Use the old order form and write down which version(s)and how many you want.

Robert remind me to thank Greg Chamitoff for wearing a four name when he arrived for launch but a different three name version on orbit.

Here we go again!

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Will Jacques be providing the same service as previously for the European contingent?

It was very much appreciated by those who availed themselves of this service.

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posted 06-12-2008 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I will provide the service for Europe again, if that is okay with Tim.

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posted 06-12-2008 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course it's okay for Jacques to partner again on this. It's a tremendous help.

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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Use the old order form and write down which version(s)and how many you want.
Rather than use the old form, use this revised order form, courtesy Tim.

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Well I have now seen photographs of individuals wearing three name and four name versions of the Expedition 17 patch and both versions displayed on interior of the ISS.
But has anyone seen the no name patch being worn by any spacefarers? After all it is a NASA approved design, but to what avail if nobody uses it!

Can I ask a question about the following NASA statement: 'The NASA insignia design for space station flights is reserved for use by the astronauts and for other official use as the NASA Administrator may authorize.'

Would that mean that, for example, a space enthusiast may not sew even the no name version on any apparel of leisure clothing or is that an authorised activity?

Presumably the NASA Administrator does approve of the insignia being worn as lapel pins.

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Originally posted by lm5eagle:
But has anyone seen the no name patch being worn by any spacefarers?
I am fairly certain I have seen it on NASA TV, or at least embroidered versions of it on ISS crew apparel, though have not captured any screenshots to share. There are also patches stowed in the ISS OFK, which could very well be the no name version.
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Would that mean that, for example, a space enthusiast may not sew even the no name version on any apparel of leisure clothing or is that an authorised activity?
As the patches and pins exist and are made by contractors to NASA, they are "authorized activities." The clause exists to protect the insignia from being used in commercial promotions, such as the golf shot from the ISS, without permission.

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I'll be ordering all of these patches. But under protest. Why is this becoming such a chore?

One glimmer of hope here is that Tim has allowed us on the forum to buy complete and accurate versions of the patches.

If this continues, maybe AB Emblem will just produce these versions without recourse to special orders.

There's obviously a market.

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I do not see ordering these one-of-a-kind patches as a chore. I think we are getting one heck of a bargain and with relative ease.

For U.S. orders, the Expedition 17 (no name) patch from AB Emblems costs $5.99 plus $7.50 for shipping. Tim is graciously charging only $5.00 per patch with $2.00 for shipping for patches we cannot get elsewhere. I have ordered the other two patches with gratitude.

I do not know what Jacques is charging for patches sent to the Republic of Ireland, but I am sure it is comparable.

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posted 06-15-2008 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ship for what it costs me to send them in Europe, 72 eurocent Priority mail, that is a little more than $1 for one to five patches.

I sell the patches for the same price as Tim $5 so with shipping that would be $6 total for one patch.

I do not have to make a profit out of it, its just a service...

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I know it's easy for us but it's still a chore for Tim and Jacques to provide this great service to all of us.

I was just saying that AB Emblem, etc. should be organising this a bit better so that guys like Tim and Jacques don't have to be so generous with their time.

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posted 06-18-2008 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Reisman patches are in the mail for those who have orderd them by me. You can all expect them in the comming days. Thank you all for ordering.

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....and thank you Jacques for providing such a great service to European patch collectors!

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posted 07-17-2008 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Expedition 17 second crew (with Chamitoff) and the four name version will be ordered today from AB Emblem. Thanks to Jacques for doing the "heavy lifting" on this batch.

As before I expect it to take four weeks so look for my update around the middle of August.

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Thanks to both of you for the effort!


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