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Topic: ISS Expedition 17 insignia
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Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 489
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 02, 2008 04:00 PM
  
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Will Jacques van Oene agree to handle orders from across the pond?
Yes I will... and I do accept Paypal!And I note that I think it is best to only make the patches with astronauts/cosmonauts names that fly and live aboard ISS during April - October 2008... Exp-17... quote:
But if we look at the image posted above, I see a patch with both Russians and two Americans. Is that the patch they (the Russians) will wear on launch day?
If the crew of Soyuz TMA-12 wears that patch on launch day, it will go into space on a Sokol suit, and I think we should make it...------------------
Jacques 
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KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 02, 2008 04:09 PM
Hi all-I received some feedback from AB Emblem. quote:
The 4 name crew patch has been rejected by the astronaut office at this time. You can only order the 2 images I sent to you.
(Both of those images had either Reisman or Chamitoff opposite the two Russians.) quote:
The "e" version is the approved version by the astronaut office.
(Referring to the spelling of Kononenko in the image at the top of this thread.)Based on the quote I received I can charge $5.00 each for these patches and that should cover mailing expenses. If all of this is agreeable to everyone I will accept orders for the entire month of April. I would very much appreciate it if you would include a self addressed envelope with your payment. On April 30th (if we have met the minimum) I will cash the checks and place the order. Per the quote it should take 25 days for production and then they will be shipped to me. So if this schedule holds I will not receive them until the third week of May. To be clear - we are talking about the three name patch: Volkov, Kononenko and Reisman, as pictured below. The four name patch you see in the Soyuz crew photo on the NASA website is not available at this time. Let's reach a consensus before we continue. Please vote yes or no by this weekend with your posting on cS if you want this patch the way they're offering it to us. Tim  IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 13186
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted April 02, 2008 04:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
Please vote yes or no by this weekend with your posting on cS if you want this patch the way they're offering it to us.
Yes, I'll order at least one.IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 162
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 02, 2008 04:42 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
The "e" version is the approved version by the astronaut office.
Yes! I'm sorry: both Russian names are wrote in small letters and only Americans are in capitals. So the correct "e" is that one.  quote:
Let's reach a consensus before we continue. Please vote yes or no by this weekend with your posting on cS if you want this patch the way they're offering it to us.
And of course, I vote YES. Thank you very much Tim.Jorge. IP: Logged |
Mike Z
Member Posts: 172
From: Ellicott City, Maryland
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted April 02, 2008 04:46 PM
YES!! I will send a Money Order with a self addresses envelope. As soon as you give the go ahead. That gives me something to look forward to for my birthday.THANKS!
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Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 489
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 02, 2008 04:54 PM
Tim, I'm in and I will take orders from Europe if that is ok...Contact me Tim for details and price ------------------
Jacques
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Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 243
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted April 02, 2008 05:23 PM
So the official version the crew will wear is 3 names only? Will it have the little dot next to Reisman's name like the patch pictured, or is that an error? So to make sure I have this right, there will be TWO official versions of the patch - 3 names and the no-name version already being sold by AB, is that correct?I'm certainly in for 2 each of the versions we're talking about then. ------------------
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Melroy Fan
New Member Posts: 4
From: Peoria, Arizona, USA
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted April 02, 2008 06:00 PM
I am definitely interested as well. I'd like to get one for our local Challenger Center in addition to my order.Many thanks for offering to do this! IP: Logged |
aerospace educator
Member Posts: 92
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Registered: Sep 2006
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posted April 02, 2008 06:03 PM
I am interested in one of the patches. Am I correct in assuming that Reisman's name will be near the top right of the patch as shown in the NASA image?IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 02, 2008 06:12 PM
The patch should look like the image I posted (with Robert's help). I think the "dot" next to Reisman's name is there in error and I'll point that out to AB before we order.Thanks Jacques, I will. Bill - that's why I asked AB about the names. I'll be interested to see what patch is on the Sokol and attached to the wall of the ISS. Then we'll know the answer. Tim
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MSS
Member Posts: 221
From: Kolo, Poland
Registered: May 2003
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posted April 03, 2008 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by aerospace educator:
I am interested in one of the patches. Am I correct in assuming that Reisman's name will be near the top right of the patch as shown in the NASA image?
Yes, it's wrong patch. I have a correct patch with Reisman name in hi-res file from JSC photo archive! I have writen to them to correct this file...but they didn't yet
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Maciej,
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ShuttleDiscovery
Member Posts: 73
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posted April 03, 2008 11:19 AM
Yes I'll have one please!!! quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
Both of those images had either Reisman or Chamitoff opposite the two Russians.
Are you saying that the Chamitoff version just has Chamitoff's name + the 2 russians, or does this one have Reisman's name on it too like the computerised versions?
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KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 03, 2008 11:48 AM
In the images I recieved from AB both of the Russians Volkov and Kononenko are on the left side. Either Reisman - or - Chamitoff are on the right side as the image in my posting at 4:09pm on 2 April illustrates. Oh and one more point, the border is "Faux OL" which means it is designed to look like a merrowed border but is actually a cut border. Per AB this is holding true to the "official patch." Tim IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 147
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted April 03, 2008 03:33 PM
I am very interested and will take 3 patches each.I understand that there will be one having Reisman. But will there be also a patch with Chamitoff? Furtheron once again a question concerning the russian names: do someone know who made the patch having the "E" as showing in a picture above as AB did the one with "e"? Harald IP: Logged |
Mike Z
Member Posts: 172
From: Ellicott City, Maryland
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted April 03, 2008 04:35 PM
The Expedition 17 crew photo is online on NASA's Human Space Flight Gallery. Mike Z IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 13186
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted April 03, 2008 04:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Z:
The Expedition 17 crew photo is online on NASA's Human Space Flight Gallery.
Actually, that's the Soyuz TMA-12 crew photo. The Expedition 17 crew photo would be Volkov, Kononenko and Reisman.IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 162
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 03, 2008 06:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Harald Kraenzel:
Furtheron once again a question concerning the russian names: do someone know who made the patch having the "E" as showing in a picture above as AB did the one with "e"?
Harald, same (unknown) who made the Reisman-Chamitoff names patch?  I wonder this (collecting patches) is beginning to be a surprising adventure! Do you remember old times, when you got one mission-one patch? Aaahhh wonderful old times...! Jorge. IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 243
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted April 03, 2008 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
I wonder this (collecting patches) is beginning to be a surprising adventure!
An adventure indeed! Well said.------------------
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Bill Nelson
Member Posts: 15
From: Lakewood, Colorado U.S.A.
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted April 03, 2008 08:55 PM
I will take 1 each of the Expedition 17 patches you are trying to get made. Please e-mail me at billfrl5@hotmail.com to give me the address I need to send payment to. Bill NelsonIP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 147
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted April 04, 2008 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
I wonder this (collecting patches) is beginning to be a surprising adventure!
Jorge, it's always an adventure depending on what you are collecting! but I see what you mean.I remember these old times but we have to face newer times and I think starting this small project is the only way to answer. Good luck! and thanks to Tim for stepping forward to take the "lead". Harald IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 162
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 04, 2008 03:10 AM
I agree absolutely with you about we have to face newer times Harald but... I miss the simpleness of olders.(I have all my collection framed in a wall, from Gemini 4 to STS-123 plus the TMAs... and my wife is thinking to kill me if I continue my expansion over other wall...) Jorge. IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 04, 2008 05:00 AM
Hey MI Amigo-I think your wife will allow at least 1 or 2 more framed patches, yes? Maybe something with a personal involvement? Cheers,
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Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 147
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted April 04, 2008 12:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KAPTEC:
(I have all my collection framed in a wall, from Gemini 4 to STS-123 plus the TMAs... and my wife is thinking to kill me if I continue my expansion over other wall...)
Jorge, telling my wife about "your problem" she spontaneously started laughing. I think she knows about those feelings as in earlier times I used to occupy much more place for my space related items. Nower days we have an agreement that I did not display those items in our living room. Maybe that sounds bad but if you believe it or not I have a good feeling with it. Harald IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 243
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted April 04, 2008 01:45 PM
Ha! You guys are cracking me up. My patches are restricted to my office walls ONLY per my better half... ------------------
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KAPTEC
Member Posts: 162
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 05, 2008 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
I think your wife will allow at least 1 or 2 more framed patches, yes? Maybe something with a personal involvement?
Sure Tim! 1 or 2 more at least! Harald, Bill, I have them in my office wall... (NOT AT ALL in the living room!) but there is space for only a few more. I don't know what can I do in the future... Cheers.
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KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 05, 2008 09:16 AM
Thanks to the commitment from Jacques, we should have no problem reaching a minimum order threshold. I will accept orders until April 30th. I will place the order with AB Emblem then and when that happens everyone is committed. Following this schedule I should recieve the patches by the third week of May. Please download and complete the order form and include it with proper payment along with a self addressed envelope to either myself or Jacques. I'm glad I was able to help. Tim IP: Logged |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 489
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 05, 2008 10:42 AM
Let me jus add that I do accept Paypal so you do not have to send cash money to me... (and I do NOT accept cheques or money orders, costs to much to collect them).Payment in Euro's is also fine with me. E-mail me with questions. ------------------
Jacques
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Space Emblem Art
Member Posts: 84
From: Citrus Heights, CA - USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted April 05, 2008 03:31 PM
Jorge,When you run out of walls there's always the ceiling. Tim, Gee Tim, the format of that order form sure looks familiar. I just printed it up and will be sending it to you shortly. Best wishes, Bill IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 162
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 05, 2008 03:45 PM
Great idea Bill. Many thanks!! I also printed the order form. Tomorrow will be on the post. Thank you Tim, Jacques and Robert. Regards for all.
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Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 489
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 07, 2008 09:41 AM
Guys, I think this will be the patch the crew is going to wear tomorrow on their Sokol Suits. This photo was taken today, it's a 4 name EXP-17 patch... so I think we should make this patch, and not a 3 name patch... what do you think?(I'm only interested in the patch the crew has on their suits... not in a patch that does not see space.)  ------------------
Jacques
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ShuttleDiscovery
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posted April 07, 2008 10:39 AM
I agree Jacques.IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 07, 2008 10:43 AM
The thing is folks, the only patch available from AB is a three name patch. While I agree this four name version SHOULD be available for some reason AB says it the Astronaut Office hasn't approved it. We'll need to settle this before an order is placed. Tim IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
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posted April 07, 2008 10:52 AM
I expressed this to Tim offline, but I don't really see the appeal of ordering a replica of a patch if it is not made by the company that produced it for the crew. In my mind, it is the equivalent of settling for an autopen when what you really want is an autograph.The appeal to the AB order, at least to me, is that the patches we will receive were already produced for NASA and the crew. For whatever reason, they aren't being offered for retail sale, but they are still authentic to what the crew will use — and I believe we will see them on-orbit.
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KAPTEC
Member Posts: 162
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 07, 2008 10:55 AM
I agree too this 4 names version. It's not approved, but it tomorrow flies... what could we do? Then it will be the REAL official launch patch (approved or not)! It seems that we also must make this version... look at tomorrow guys. Jorge. IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1362
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 07, 2008 12:04 PM
Robert-Maybe you could contact the Astronaut Office and/or AB Emblem and inquire as to the disparity of what the crew wears v. what is available to the public. I'd sure like to know. I agree with you that it is desirable to have a crew patch made by the "official vendor" but I want the patch "just like" the crew wears. Tim. IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 147
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted April 07, 2008 01:26 PM
AB Emblem stated to me: quote:
These [the Exp.17 patches] have been published and are public domain, so I guess we could [make them].
Why should it be a problem to just order this one? OK, NASA didn't approve the 4 name patch but it still is public domain, isn't it? Did AB state why the are not willing to make these?Harald IP: Logged |
Mike Z
Member Posts: 172
From: Ellicott City, Maryland
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted April 07, 2008 04:01 PM
I just want to let you know that I am sending my money order with the order form tomorrow morning.Mike Z IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 243
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted April 07, 2008 05:13 PM
Is it possible to do both versions? Personally, I'd like to have both, even if one of them ends up not being official. Obviously they're both out there in use for photos and in the crew's hands, even if one or the other ends up not being approved in the end.------------------
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Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 147
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted April 08, 2008 10:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
Guys, I think this will be the patch the crew is going to wear tomorrow on their Sokol Suits. This photo was taken today, it's a 4 name EXP-17 patch... so I think we should make this patch, and not a 3 name patch... what do you think?
NASA did update their Exp. 17 page. Looks like that we now can see the complete picture Jacques has enlarged the patch from. Harald IP: Logged |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 489
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 08, 2008 10:09 AM
So looking at the photos from today's crew walk out, I saw a four name Expedition 17 patch on their Sokol suits...(see below)So my vote is to make a four name patch (I do not think that should be much of a problem, if AB can make a 3 name they also can make a 4 name patch... right?) Making both a 3 name and a 4 name patch is also fine by me, but I do not think we will ever see a Expedition 17 crew member wearing a three-name patch in space... What do you think?  ------------------
Jacques
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