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Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-03-2012 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dragon Models has announced its 1:72 Apollo 16 "Lunar Highlands Exploration" model with command/service module, lunar module, lunar rover and astronauts.

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posted 04-03-2012 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, the instrument bay is open on the SM.

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posted 04-03-2012 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hopefully, if they do an Apollo 17 version, they'll include a replacement wheel cover made of checklists for the LRV and some orange lunar soil.

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posted 04-03-2012 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rover radar dish seems a bit....big.

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posted 04-03-2012 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the communication dish on the LRV is too big like the camera on the opposite side. I hope that Dragon build this as a kit so we can make improvements ourselves.

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posted 04-03-2012 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, given that the LRV (accurately scaled) will be less than 2" long, I'm already having flashbacks of connecting the 1:72 Gemini spacecraft and spacewalker... intricate parts in a small scale.

Keep in mind, though, that the "preview" images we've seen of models in this series have often differed in detail from the eventual releases. I have no use for a kit personally, so I'm hoping the actual model that comes to market will be more refined.

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posted 04-04-2012 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for robert_l   Click Here to Email robert_l     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can't wait to get this!

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posted 04-04-2012 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by arjuna:
Rover radar dish seems a bit....big.

First time I can pinpoint something awfully wrong with one of their models!

At least they took into consideration my request for an added-value CSM. What could they do for A13, A14 and A17? (A13 is the only one mentioned in their catalog).

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posted 04-04-2012 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps one segment of the Service Module could be replaceable - and they would supply a SIM bay for the J missions and a post-explosion bay for Apollo 13?

Does anyone know if the segments for the two items above were the same on the SM?

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posted 04-05-2012 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jaycadence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks promising. I personally would have like it to have been Apollo 15 considering that was the mission that first used the rover. Has anyone heard when it will be available to purchase?

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The rover's (hopefully) quibbles aside, I'm pleased that the SIM bay is there as well as is the LEM experiments package. (Does it come with the crinkled orange foil? This one I'll definitely be buying.

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posted 06-28-2012 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am concerned that Dragon may have substituted the Apollo 15 CSM, without the open SIM bay, for the CSM that appeared in the original Apollo 16 promo photo. Take a look at the current product photo on the Dragon USA website.

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posted 06-28-2012 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't there supposed to be an Apollo 17 kit like this?

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posted 06-28-2012 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes: 1/72 Apollo 17 "The Last J-Mission"

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posted 06-28-2012 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo 17 model is a kit instead of the diecast model. In the info sheet that Dragon released on this kit the SIM bay is open and includes detail.

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posted 07-23-2012 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CaptSpry   Click Here to Email CaptSpry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have confirmation yet if this will have the open SIM bay or not?

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posted 08-10-2012 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cycleroadie   Click Here to Email cycleroadie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hit the coast today, you should see your preferred retailer stocking it soon.

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posted 08-12-2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This model set should be shipping to dealers this week. Every time I look at the latest photo of this model on Dragon USA's website I hope that this is not the actual model that will ship. The CSM represented has a closed SIM Bay and the commander driving the LRV does not have red stripes painted on his suit. Time will tell.

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posted 08-12-2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, on the Dragon USA site, it looks like they are just reusing the Apollo 15 CSM.

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posted 08-14-2012 03:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the clocks running:
The CSM represented has a closed SIM Bay...

That makes all the difference in terms of whether or not to buy this one.

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posted 08-15-2012 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CaptSpry   Click Here to Email CaptSpry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now in stock at Flying Mule, no new pictures up yet, REALLY want to know if the SIM bay is open. I pre-ordered this in May... looking foward to the rover and crossing my fingers for the SIM bay... should know really soon.

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posted 08-15-2012 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The SIM Bay IS NOT open or removable. The box art is incorrect. Flying Mule said that the CSM is the Apollo 15 CSM and not the Open Bay SIM included with the box art.

Photos will be posted tonight on the Flying Mule website.

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posted 08-15-2012 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the clocks running:
The SIM Bay IS NOT open or removable.
Well, that is a no buy for me.

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posted 08-15-2012 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here. I was on the fence, that kills this one for me.

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posted 08-15-2012 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photos are posted now on Flying Mule's website.

The LRV looks as though it was only painted white with orange fenders!

The other problem is that the commander's A7LB suit does not include the "red stripes" on the helmet or arms. The artwork on the package also depicts this incorrectly.

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posted 08-16-2012 05:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fail.

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posted 08-16-2012 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is poorly produced models becoming a trend? Dragon hasn't announced anything new lately (ditto in the Warbirds section) - coincidence?
quote:
Originally posted by the clocks running:
The LRV looks as though it was only painted white with orange fenders!
1:72 Scale Boeing Lunar Rover: 1.75 inches by 1 inch. Were you expecting something more detailed at that size?

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posted 08-16-2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cspg:
Were you expecting something more detailed at that size?
The reason that I find this disappointing is because my reference for the LRV is the original product photo on the Dragon Apollo 16 product release announcement. The detail is more refined than the actual product release.

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posted 08-17-2012 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, good point. A bit silly not to have the product coinciding with the pictures on the box...

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posted 08-17-2012 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CaptSpry   Click Here to Email CaptSpry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just received mine... actually the LRV is very detailed and looks pretty dang cool, in my opinion. It is not all white, has white and gray and as detailed as the original picture shows.

As for the commander not having a red stripe, a red fine tip sharpie will fix that in a half a second... no biggie.

Still not happy that the SIM bay is not open, but oh well, I am over it. All in all I am pleased.

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posted 08-17-2012 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just received the set as well, and agree on the LRV; it is near identical to how it is depicted on the box, and very nicely detailed given its very small size.

The service module I received does not have an open SIM bay, but the photo on the box is not a graphic; it is an actual model image. I also have heard that the Apollo 17 kit does indeed have the parts for a detailed SIM bay.

I have written my contact at Dragon, who is involved in the design and production of these models, to inquire what happened.

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posted 08-17-2012 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I also have heard that the Apollo 17 kit does indeed have the parts for a detailed SIM bay.

It does. In fact it appears to have duplicate parts for a 'second' SIM bay. I haven't looked closely at the instructions to try to determine why the extra bay parts are in the 17 kit.

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posted 08-17-2012 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sev8n:
I haven't looked closely at the instructions to try to determine why the extra bay parts are in the 17 kit.
The instructions show to use one of the SIM bays, the complete one. The second one that is smaller is shown as not to be use. It makes me wonder if this is for another release, but the layout of the two bays seams identical. There are a lot of extra parts in the kit, and it appears you could model an in flight LM with all the extra parts.

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posted 08-18-2012 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The LRV I am comparing the paint scheme to is the photo on the Flying Mule website. I am happy to hear that the LRV looks good. I am waiting for my local hobby shop to receive the Apollo 16 model next week.

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posted 08-23-2012 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just picked up my Apollo 16 model today.

I am planning on posting photos of the model this week.

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posted 12-22-2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This week I corrected the markings for Apollo 16 Commander John Young in the LRV.

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posted 12-24-2012 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randyc   Click Here to Email randyc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless the Service Module is modified to include a SIM bay this is not a model of Apollo 16.

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quote:
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This week I corrected the markings for Apollo 16 Commander John Young in the LRV.
That looks great! Just out of curiosity, since I got the kit, was he missing stripes?

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posted 12-25-2012 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the kind words.

Yes, the Commanders' stripes are missing in Apollo 16 diecast set.

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posted 12-30-2012 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by randyc:
Unless the Service Module is modified to include a SIM bay this is not a model of Apollo 16.
The only current solution is to build the Dragon Apollo 17 kit because it includes the SIM Bay.

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