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4allmankind
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posted 06-07-2005 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4allmankind   Click Here to Email 4allmankind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been trying to get knowledgable on FLOWN Gemini Medallions and have found very little on the web and this site about them.

Gold/Silver with the mission and dates engraved on the verse.

Are these considered the unofficial Robbins medallions for Project Gemini?

Did each flight carry them? Any production numbers known? Does any value scale exist relative to those known production numbers?

zee_aladdin
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posted 06-08-2005 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zee_aladdin   Click Here to Email zee_aladdin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are called Fliteline medallions, not Robbins.... very little is known about them. But if you look through Aurora's catalogs for the past year or two you can find some gold and silver colored that have sold. They range from $1500 to $5000.

I own a GT-6 flown-silver colored Fliteline medallion.

4allmankind
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posted 06-08-2005 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4allmankind   Click Here to Email 4allmankind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just out of curiosity, which missions realize closer to $5,000 as you state? Looks like a nice deal on the GT-6 you own — quite a weird letter with it I must say.

zee_aladdin
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posted 06-08-2005 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zee_aladdin   Click Here to Email zee_aladdin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the gold Fliteline medallions seem to command close to the $5000 range.

I like the GT-6 I have. By the way, which weird letter were you talking about?

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posted 07-20-2005 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snf13   Click Here to Email snf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So then, presumably, there are similar Fliteline medals that were NOT flown? And would one tell?

zee_aladdin
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posted 07-20-2005 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zee_aladdin   Click Here to Email zee_aladdin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my limited knowledge, I think it is considered that all Fliteline medallions have been flown!

Spacepsycho
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posted 07-21-2005 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not all Gemini mission Flightline medals were flown, the majority were, but unless there's a letter or other provenance to prove it, there's no way to tell.

As far as the price goes, I bought a GT-11 silver Flightline medal that was flown for $800, a GT-10 silver for $300 unknown if it was flown and a GT-8 that was flown with a letter from the engineer who it was given to for $450. There's been two on eBay a few months ago that were in the $1100 range.

Unfortunately there isn't much info on them, there are no experts like James Brown or Howard Weinberger on the Flightline medals, but as more surface for sale, it's only going to add to the database.

These medals are out there but they are harder to find than the Apollo Robbins.

mensax
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posted 07-22-2005 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mensax   Click Here to Email mensax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Provenance is essential with Gemini medallions. Without some kind of foolproof authentication a buyer should assume that it is not flown. In fact, I personally would question whether or not they are authentic.

Unlike the Apollo Robbins medallions that are highly detailed, and individually numbered, Gemini medals are rather plain and generic. It would be fairly simple and inexpensive to produce hundreds of copies that would be virtually impossible to distinguish from the originals.

It amazes me that we haven't seen quantities of fakes hit the market as this would be a very profitable scheme. I suppose it's easier to forge an autograph than it would be to fire up a forge. Most crooks are lazy.

If you're interested in getting these items, try to get them directly from an astronaut. Or better yet, consider getting one of those complete sets that are preserved in lucite. There have been several of them that have come onto the market in the last couple of years. The medallions in these sets are in mint condition, beautifully displayed, and unquestionably flown.

(One additional thought... if fakes ever do show up on the market, the value of Gemini medallions without provenance will drop off to next to nothing. Those with authentication will rise.)

TRS
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posted 07-23-2005 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TRS   Click Here to Email TRS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually faking coins is relatively easy if you can get the mix of metal right to mimic the one you want. No — I'm not a forger, but I did ask some medal collectors about moulding copies of a couple of my medallions in order to be able to show the obverse and reverse in framed displays. I'm told that the real art is in getting the weight of the copy right...

Of course the issue becomes how suspicious collectors will become of any dealer suddenly having 5-500 rare flown medallions on sale.

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