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Topic: Catalog for NASA mission lithos (Mercury-ASTP)
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Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 04-24-2012 06:35 AM
   
Does anyone here know of an online resource that catalogs all mission lithos that were available to the public for Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, ASTP, and Skylab? |
herranzc
Member Posts: 17
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 04-25-2012 10:56 AM
Such a list would be a useful resource. |
heng44
Member Posts: 3386
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 04-26-2012 03:41 AM
Years ago I obtained a CD made by a collector who scanned all lithos up to that time. I don't think it has a list, but it does have pictures of all the lithos (at least the first 2-300 or so). I'll see if I can find it. |
Spaceguy5
Member Posts: 427
From: Pampa, TX, US
Registered: May 2011
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posted 04-26-2012 04:06 AM
I think it would be nice to have a digital archive of these. |
Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 04-26-2012 08:51 AM
I think that some sort of unofficial database of known NASA issued lithos would be great. Something along the lines of what Chris Spain does for patches and astronaut portraits would be a good start with cSers contributing info to build the database. Does anyone know of someone who was part of the NASA public relations department that printed and distributed the lithos? It would be interesting to get inside info on the numbering system and quantities issued. Are certain lithos much rarer than others?
I too am limited on a technical basis, but am willing to help anyway I can like contributing info or data entry. |
heng44
Member Posts: 3386
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 04-28-2012 06:29 AM
Okay, I found the CD and I have uploaded the complete contents to my Dropbox. It also contains individual medium-res scans of all the lithos. Remember that I obtained this many years ago, so it is not up to date. Also, I forgot who sent it to me, so I don't know who to credit for all the work. |
Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 04-28-2012 08:25 AM
That is awesome...Thank you (and CD maker) so much for making this available. I downloaded and it came out perfect. I'm really only interested in Mercury, Gemini and Apollo through ASTP so this is up to date for my needs. Man there are WAY more than I thought. |
Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 04-28-2012 10:28 AM
Found this that probably was the origin of this list from March of 2002: For sometime now, I have always wanted to put together a reference guide for NASA lithographs. I got together with a fellow member Roger Waterbury and we have finished the first MSCL (Manned Spacecraft Center Litho) CD-ROM. The CD-ROM has 105 scans which include the front and back of each lithograph. We have also included certain variations of some of the lithographs. In addition, there is a hard copy of the description of each litho.This CD-ROM is FREE to registered members of collectSPACE.com. Roger and I believe that this forum should be used to share and exchange information whenever possible. In the near future, we hope to put together reference guides for HqL, JSCL, JSCCL etc. |
Lasv3
Member Posts: 410
From: Bratislava, Slovakia
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 04-28-2012 01:44 PM
Excellent catalogue, thanks a lot! |
Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 05-11-2012 02:29 PM
This CD is a wonderful resource for identifying lithographs thanks again for making it available. There are some missing ones however. Does anyone have an example of the JSCL 101-104, and MSCL 84 lithos? Thanks for any help. |
Lasv3
Member Posts: 410
From: Bratislava, Slovakia
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 05-12-2012 02:52 AM
In my opinion they remained simply vacant — from whatever reason. With that amount of lithos it was easily possible to omit something. On the other hand there are two JSCL-113 lithos, one is Skylab 4 crew and the other is STS-41D crew, which (STS) is completely misplaced with this number. Just proof that there worked "only" human beings in NASA PR as well.  |
heng44
Member Posts: 3386
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-13-2012 02:49 AM
In the 1980s I tried to complete my litho collection by requesting the missing numbers from the JSC public affairs office. They sent me what was on my list with a few exceptions and told me that some numbers were 'voided', as they called it. I don't have that letter anymore, so I can't say which numbers. |
Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 05-13-2012 11:04 AM
Thanks for the info. Did you ever complete your collection of lithos? Which ones are the most difficult to come by? I have never seen a MSCL-1 or 2 come to market since I have been collecting them. |
heng44
Member Posts: 3386
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-13-2012 03:33 PM
Yes, I had a pretty complete litho collection up to the first few Shuttle flights. After that I traded them in for the real photo versions in most cases. When I was collecting them there was no internet, so all I could do was request them from NASA. Some of the early ones were no longer available by that time, such as the original Apollo 13 crew. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-13-2012 06:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Beau08:
I have never seen a MSCL-1 or 2 come to market since I have been collecting them.
MSCL 1 is really rare. MSCL 2 (despite the fact that the code isn't printed on every released litho) is the Apollo 1 crew. |
Beau08
Member Posts: 159
From: Peoria, AZ United States
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 05-19-2012 01:47 PM
Is it common for some of these lithos to have the Id numbers printed on some but not others? I have three of the lithos from the list provided by heng44 of Gemini and they match exactly except the MSCL # on front lower left. Any particular reason for this? |
benfairfax
Member Posts: 199
From: NSW Australia
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted 05-20-2012 05:57 AM
A particular MSCL litho may or may not have a number on the front or back or not have one. I have several examples of these. Some are rarer than others which ads to the joy of collecting! |
carl walker
Member Posts: 360
From: Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 09-04-2012 02:05 PM
I just began a massive reorganisation of my signed photos and lithos. I've had some great contact with very helpful fellow cSPACE'rs on this subject... e.g. rare examples, JSCL numbers, etc.I've seen that some lists were in preparation a few years back, listing HqL and JSCIL numbers, does anyone know how these progressed? Where could I get a copy? Another question, I got a list of MSCL and JSCL lithos (thanks!), but note the list starts at JSCL105. I have some lithos with JSCL-5, 025, 027 and 028 (Group 4 astronauts, Seven original with F-102, Group 3 and Group 1 and 2 respectively). Anyone know what's missing of if there's a reason for the gap? Third question, I have just pulled together my WSS lithos, you know the ones, James A McDivitt, Jim Irwin, etc. with no numbers. Does anyone know of a classification system NASA used, when these were printed or have an overview of which astronauts WSS lithos (no number) exist? Editor's note: Threads merged. |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 09-04-2012 02:31 PM
I have a 6x4-inch 182 page booklet produced in 1976 by NASA called "Space Photography 1976 Index."It lists various B&W and colour photos available for many missions complete with an identification reference. Does anyone else have or remember this book I wonder? |
carl walker
Member Posts: 360
From: Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 09-04-2012 04:45 PM
Yes I have the book, NP-104, the 1987 edition. It lists photo nos., which is great, but not litho numbers. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 09-04-2012 07:32 PM
If you think HqL MSCL JSCL and JSCIL litho numbering systems are in any way disorganised or confusing, don't go anywhere near LG coded releases. |
carl walker
Member Posts: 360
From: Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 09-05-2012 01:41 AM
Thanks for the tip Mike! But that's like a red rag to a bull...  |
Blackarrow
Member Posts: 3118
From: Belfast, United Kingdom
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 06-23-2014 06:40 PM
From memory, is the official Apollo 12 crew portrait the only MSCL/JSCL crew portrait which doesn't actually state "Prime Crew of the [sixth] manned Apollo mission" (or words to that effect) below the picture?Any reason? |
billewald
Member Posts: 89
From: Stafford, VA, USA
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 12-30-2014 12:46 PM
I'm trying to find a website that will identify NASA serial numbered photos and the missions they pertain too. I've tried a Google search but I'm not always successful.
Thank you!Editor's note: Threads merged. |
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