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Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-31-2019 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Science Channel Explores Questions About Apollo 11 in New Six Episode Series 'Truth Behind the Moon Landing'

Former NASA Astronaut Leland Melvin, Former FBI Agent Chad Jenkins and Author Mike Bara Investigate

Almost immediately after the successful and triumphant Apollo 11 moon landing nearly fifty years ago, there were skeptics who refused to accept that humankind could accomplish such an enormous undertaking. Astonishingly, some of those same doubts persist today, despite the enormous scientific progress that has been made since then. A new Science Channel series, "Truth Behind the Moon Landing", will dissect the most popular conspiracy claims surrounding the iconic moon landing with the help of former NASA Astronaut Leland Melvin, Iraq War veteran and former FBI agent Chad Jenkins and best-selling author, Mike Bara.

The six-episode series premieres Sunday, June 2 at 10 p.m. ET/PT on Science Channel.

"Truth Behind the Moon Landing" turns over every stone, tests evidence, and applies scientific reasoning to the most popular conspiracies.

The series will delve into these questions and more by testing claims about how the Apollo 1 fire started; studying one of NASA's last existing Lunar Lander prototypes that Neil Armstrong trained on; seeking the expertise of one of Hollywood's most celebrated visual effects directors, Douglas Trumbull (2001: A Space Odyssey); and gaining access to NASA archives to uncover photos and footage never-before-seen by the general public.

"Truth Behind the Moon Landing" is produced by Big Fish Entertainment, an MGM Company, for Science Channel. Dan Cesareo, Lucilla D'Agostino, Rick Hankey, Ron Bowman and Pat Twist serve as executive producers. Executive Producers for Science Channel Caroline Perez and Neil Laird.

Fra Mauro
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posted 06-01-2019 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since there is a former astronaut involved, it could be really good, as opposed to some of the other stuff on cable regarding NASA that is ridiculous.

Fra Mauro
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posted 06-14-2019 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone watching this series, with Leland Melvin, as one of the hosts? I just watched the episode on Apollo 1.

Bob M
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posted 06-16-2019 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've only watched one episode so far (about the Van Allen Belts) and part of the one on Apollo 1.

On the Van Allen Belts episode a scientific demonstration showed that the Apollo CM could safely pass thru the Van Allen Belts (and not require a lead shell an inch thick as hoax'er Bara said it would require).

But I was disappointed that astronaut Melvin would show surprise hearing that NASA used ex-Nazis brought over on Project Paperclip to help put us on the moon and he seemed to consider it shameful. It's far from a secret that many German V-2 rocket scientists and engineers basically began our military rocket and space programs, with many others than von Braun having top positions in NASA, such as Debus, Rees, Rudolph (he later accused of war crimes), etc.

Yes, many were ex-Nazis, but were spoils of war and most later became American citizens and loyal Americans and contributed greatly to our military and space programs.

What should have been done with them instead? The Soviets would have loved to have had that huge group of ex-Nazis and had they captured the Von Braun Team instead of the Von Braun Team surrendering to the US Army, first, we wouldn't have had the Redstone, Atlas and Titan II military rockets and, second, almost surely would have watched while Soviet cosmonauts walked on the moon.

I'm looking forward to the other episodes, but am surprised that little discussion and interest has occurred here on such a significant topic to us space fans.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-16-2019 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I intend to watch the show (it is available on demand) but haven't yet, so cannot yet comment on it specifically.

But to Bob's point about discussing the show in general, I have been the opinion for some time that the two groups most responsible for propagating the idea of a hoax today, albeit inadvertently, are space history enthusiasts and science entertainment media.

Sure, there are still YouTube videos and forum posts professing the moon landings were faked, but they are the outliers. The cottage industry that started the wide-scale concern about what the public believes is gone. There are no more Bart Sibrel-types making national headlines.

Instead, the hoaxers have been replaced by articles and television shows keeping the idea of the myth front and center, if not also raising it to a level it no longer merits. Maybe the real way to debunk the moon landing hoax is to stop trying to debunk it altogether.

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With regards to Bob's point about Melvin showing surprise, this show is a TV show, and as such is about ratings and acting. Of course Melvin knew about von Braun and his German colleagues having worked with the Nazis, and having been brought over from Germany. Working as an astronaut at NASA he'd have to be a complete idiot not to know this

This show is based on either a script, or a pre-filming talk through of what the director wants to be discussed by the participants/actors during that segment, and how they want it expressed. I'm sure the director talked through how they wanted the assorted participants to "process" the information. Obviously the powers that be at the Science Channel know that the moon landings were real, this whole thing is ginned up to pull people in to watch the show.

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posted 06-17-2019 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnSpaceUK   Click Here to Email JohnSpaceUK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SkyMan1958:
Obviously the powers that be at the Science Channel know that the moon landings were real, this whole thing is ginned up to pull people in to watch the show.
I set my Sky+ to record this series and I would think that as a manned spaceflight nerd I would be the exact target audience.

I made it 10 minutes before switching off.

In my opinion, they would have been better off using their resources to tell the story of Apollo, perhaps researching stories that are not massively in the public domain. This would have been far more interesting.

Unfortunately the style, editing, and language of this show is a complete turn off.

I have moon hoax books in my collection — sometimes it's good to see another angle, it can also reinforce or inform your view. Unfortunately this show is a wasted opportunity.

My recommendation: dig up your copy of "Moon Machines" and give it another watch!

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posted 06-17-2019 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I watched the Apollo 1 episode just for the entertainment value, I knew nothing "groundbreaking" would be revealed. When I saw Mike Bara was involved, science pretty much went out the window.

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posted 06-17-2019 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM1   Click Here to Email LM1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anyone see Space Unit member Dave Chudwin on the Science Channel "Truth Behind the Moon Landing"? I recognized Dave from his photos on the Space Unit website.

Dave often contributed articles for the SU Astrophile and the Explorer of the IASP. Great to see Date involved on the Science Channel as a space consultant.

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posted 06-17-2019 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, this is just an example of "conspiracy theory" wrapped up as serious investigative history. Another recent example is the risible "NASA Unexplained Files."

It's junk, exploitative rubbish for the social media age. All serious space "talking heads" (you know who you are people!) should just boycott TV like this.

This stuff used to be in the dark corner of the bookshop/Internet. It's really depressing to see it going mainstream...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-17-2019 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having been one of those talking heads on "NASA Unexplained Files" (and invited, but unavailable to appear on "Truth Behind the Moon Landing"), I'll share my own perspective on why we, or I, don't boycott them.

By the time I have been approached to appear, the show is being made with or without me. At least I know what I am going to say on camera will be historically factual, rather than perhaps someone else who will be less versed or less opposed to bending the truth for a good story (not that any of those who have appeared are known or keen to do that, but who would they get if we all refused?).

And at least with "NASA Unexplained Files," the show's conceit is that they attract viewers with the saucy rumor and then expose the less flashy truth.

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posted 06-17-2019 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry Robert, nothing personal against your good self but from what I've seen of the vast majority of these types of conspiracy TV shows the "respectable expert" is only given airtime to be manipulated for the maker's agenda.

They are often very clever in the way they edit their footage, with factually 100% accurate statements taken out of context or used in such a way as to discredit them as the (wink wink) "official version" of whatever they're talking about. As if somehow there is a legitimate alternative to verifiable history.

In my book, something either happened or it didn't. No room for discussion.

We are living in the post-truth age and these shows are actually quite sinister. In their rush to get an audience, they are actually spreading disinformation and disrespecting the very organisations (NASA etc) and the people your website is meant to be honouring.

Leave the trashy TV to the crazies we've never heard of. Space historians shouldn't touch them with a barge pole!

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posted 06-17-2019 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM1   Click Here to Email LM1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In "Truth Behind the Moon Landing" I noted that they emphasized the accident that Neil Armstrong had with the LM test. They actually stated several times that Neil Armstrong "crashed" the LM in the NASA test, suggesting that he ran out of fuel or that the vehicle was not safe.

Later in the show they did mention that there were 25 successful LM tests. They also suggested that while landing on the Moon Neil Armstrong overshot the suggested landing site and that he almost ran out of fuel.

This is not a criticism of Armstrong. I am stating that the Science Channel is manipulating history to create a sensational story.

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posted 06-17-2019 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw the Apollo 1 episode and I'm with dom on this.

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I've been watching the series. At times, "suffering through it" might be a better description. The format seems to be aimed at an audience with a short attention span, yet the real meat and potatoes of the show seem to be so spread out with fluff and scripted garbage that it's hard to stay focused.

I'll continue to watch it for the time being at least, as much out of curiosity as anything else.

Nobody who has an opinion on the hoax issue will be dissuaded by this show from their existing beliefs, but it's possible that persons without a current opinion might be saved from having to seriously consider some of the silly claims that have been made.

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An interview with me was part of Episode 3 of "Truth Behind the Moon Landing," a six-part television series on The Science Channel. The episode was released Sunday night.

Former astronaut Leland Melvin, writer and conspiracy theorist Mike Bara, and former FBI agent Chad Jenkins questioned me about NASA engineer John Houbolt and the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous decision by NASA; they were especially interested in his professional relationship with Wernher von Braun, who first promoted Direct Ascent and later Earth Orbit Rendezvous to achieve a moon landing. They asked good questions and my views were accurately presented in the edited version.

Personally, I have qualms about any presentation that gives credence to "moon hoaxers" and conspiracy theorists, such as this series, even to set them up to refute their views. The producers of the series spent a lot of effort to accurately research Apollo, but the sensationalist approach of "Truth Behind the Moon Landing" is unfortunate.

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Congratulations Dave on your new TV career.

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Sorry, but for me, this was more of a trash TV show than a real inquiry about the moon landings, not for real space enthusiasts.

Questioning whether Neil could really land the LM on the moon based on his LLTV mishap is indicative of a lack of insight about the training that pilot astronauts and test pilots in general go through when preparing for a mission. It's only put into the correct context when it's revealed that Neil made over twenty flights with the LLTV.

I've only watched one episode thus far.

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posted 07-08-2019 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This show gets worse with each episode - they've now run out of Apollo stories and are talking about random space stuff to fill out the series. I really have no idea why MOL, solid rocket testing and the NOVA rocket (according to them NASA's answer to the Soviet N1) were in the latest episode?

The show's much heralded "research" doesn't even extend to showing the right footage. The Saturn I was shown throughout the episode when they talked about the Saturn V.

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This ranks up there with the "Is Elvis Alive? " shows. I was surprised an astronaut was part of this, maybe the money was good or he felt he was a voice of reason in this.

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