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Topic: Neil Armstrong forgery sought for course
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Autographica
Member Posts: 46
From: England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 09-04-2010 11:57 AM
   
I am currently putting together an autograph authentication course for Autograph Fair Trade Association (AFTAL) here in the UK. The day will consist of many things, one of which will be closer examination of the many fakes and forgeries I have in my collection, so that people are able to see firsthand what good fakes look like, the mistakes that forgers make, etc.One item I don't have in my collection is an Armstrong forgery as sold and later recalled by Peachstate Historical Consulting, which I think are probably the best fakes I have ever come across. If anyone has one they can let me have, loan, copy, rent whatever, it would be appreciated, and of course will help the 64 people already registered for the course. If anyone has one spare, they can of course mark the reverse as a fake, etc. as needed. Thanks in advance.
Garry@baldyman.com |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 09-04-2010 12:51 PM
You may have difficulty in finding an "original" Peachstate forgery, since most were returned for refunds...and it's unlikely that many educated collectors have kept their purchases. Sometimes one will show up on eBay, but it will usually be advertised as authentic...so you'd have to pay a high price to obtain one.If you can get by without having a "real" one, there are people who have several scans of the Peachstate style. It would probably be very educational to show multiple versions of the same forgery style, since it really helps one see the repeating patterns. Bob McLeod presents several Peachstate forgery examples on his excellent website. Also, while a Peachstate forgery might be a good example for educational purposes...as they did indeed fool many collectors in the late 90s...the style is now considered a somewhat primitive forgery, with obvious tells. (But perhaps those obvious tells will help make them educational examples.) The more recent German forgery styles are much more skillfully done and continue to fool collectors to this day. The problem is that many collectors, some dealers, and even certain auction houses have yet to fully recognize those forgeries for what they are. |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1744
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-04-2010 06:32 PM
With a little experience with them, Peachstate Armstrongs usually stand out and are among the easiest Armstrong forgeries to spot, along with the so-called Armstrong "Hook-tails," from another undetermined source. And, of course, Frohman made it easy, at least with his plentiful unpersonalized Armstrong WSS's, with his Armstrong signatures almost always applied over the flag patch of Armstrong's spacesuit, or touching it. It was a very consistant Armstrong forgery error that was very convenient and helpful in determining forgery. |
leslie
Member Posts: 231
From: Surrey, England
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 09-09-2010 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by Autographica:
One item I don't have in my collection is an Armstrong forgery as sold and later recalled by Peachstate Historical Consulting, which I think are probably the best fakes I have ever come across
I would respectfully suggest that when studied, these forgeries are quite obvious for reasons well documented on this website.The sheer abundance with the same obvious mistakes make them quite amateurish. |
Paul23
Member Posts: 836
From: South East, UK
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 09-09-2010 01:20 PM
Seems we have a star in our midst in his own right, just watched a feature on the One Show on BBC1 about Autograph collecting involving someone who looks very similar to the person who started this thread! |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1744
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-09-2010 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by leslie:
The sheer abundance with the same obvious mistakes make them quite amateurish.
For convenience, I've posted again three David Frohman/Peachstate Armstrong examples that were presented on cS a few months ago. These show the typical and consistent traits and errors exhibited by this particular infamous forgery style. Back then one of Frohman's customers complained that in showing examples taken from Peachstate's "Armstrong Study" was illegal without the owner's permission. Selling forgeries is also illegal, and publicizing these fakes is a good way to educate and warn collectors. This warning is still important because yet another Peachstate has surfaced which missed Peachstate's famous recall. It's an Apollo 11 crew signed litho with the standard Peachstate Armstrong and Collins, and with the standard authentic Aldrin, with him inscribing "Apollo XI". These were sold by Peachstate for $1,395 during Peachstate's very active time in the late 1990's and early 2000's.  | |
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