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Topic: Cosmosphere: 300 artifacts missing
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Moonpaws
Member Posts: 685
From: Lee's summit, MO
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 10-25-2005 03:20 PM
   
I just got around to seeing the list of over 300 items missing from the Cosmosphere. It is tragic. Most of those items will probably stay hidden in someones closet for fear of being confiscated. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-25-2005 03:31 PM
Of the items that were listed as missing, three boxes of artifacts were turned over by Max Ary's attorney on behalf of him before the case against him began.Winning bidders for the items auctioned by Superior Galleries were contacted by NASA's Office of the Investigator to turn them over as evidence. Other items have since been identified as having been loaned to other museums. The artifacts that may truly go missing for a lack of knowledge are those that were loaned to Universal Studios for the filming of "Apollo 13". If they were not already discarded, they could very well be sitting in prop boxes in a studio warehouse, mixed in among the replicas. |
Jake
Member Posts: 464
From: Issaquah, WA U.S.A.
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 10-25-2005 04:42 PM
Bummer of a list...! |
MrSpace86
Member Posts: 1618
From: Gardner, KS, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 10-26-2005 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The artifacts that may truly go missing for a lack of knowledge are those that were loaned to Universal Studios for the filming of "Apollo 13".
So they gave actual Apollo 13 hardware for the movie? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-26-2005 09:22 AM
According to the list (which is available at the link listed above), no Apollo 13 hardware went missing from the filming of "Apollo 13" (though that doesn't rule out that hardware from that flight wasn't used). Among the "props" missing are a CM locker flown on Apollo 15, a beta cloth duct flown on Apollo 9, a couch stowage strap flown on Skylab 2 and CCU cables flown on Apollo 10. |
Ray Katz
Member Posts: 145
From:
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 10-26-2005 03:24 PM
That Apollo 15 flown command module locker was auctioned at Christie's a few years ago. I remember because I wished more than anything that I could afford it...I think it sold for $15K... |
SRB
Member Posts: 258
From:
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-26-2005 04:38 PM
What is still missing is the $60,000 to $65,000 Max Ary received from selling items in the Superior sales that didn't belong to him. While the Government has gotten back many of the items Ary sold, I don't think any collector has gotten back any money that went to Ary. |
Gimbal_Lock
Member Posts: 10
From: Columbia, SC
Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 10-26-2005 08:11 PM
How do you know the items did not belong to Mr. Ary? Everything is alleged at this point, nothing has been proven. |
SRB
Member Posts: 258
From:
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-26-2005 09:42 PM
If you read the press reports here on collectSPACE you will see that Ary's defense to the crime of knowingly taking and selling property that belonged to the Smithsonian and the Kansas Cosmosphere is that he did so by mistake since he thought they were part of his collection, not that he really owns all the items that clearly were part of the museums' collections. While he may claim that a flag or two were given to him by the astronauts, he is not claiming that all of the dozens of items that he sold and the additional dozens that he had in his house that were "voluntarily" turned over to the court all belong to him. As for his guilt or innocence of the crimes he is charged with, that is still for the jury to decide. |
MrSpace86
Member Posts: 1618
From: Gardner, KS, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 10-26-2005 10:18 PM
That is true. It sucks that no one is getting back the money they paid for items they have given back. They should be awarded at least a small portion for cooperating. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-27-2005 05:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ray Katz:
That Apollo 15 flown command module locker was auctioned at Christie's a few years ago. I remember because I wished more than anything that I could afford it...
I am away on travel right now, so I do not have the catalogs handy to reference, but I believe the particular locker offered was from (ironically/coincidentally) Apollo 13.Indeed, from our own article covering the 1999 sale: an equipment stowage locker flown on Apollo 13 (lot 161), estimated at $20,000 - 30,000, closed at $35,000; |
SRB
Member Posts: 258
From:
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-27-2005 10:22 AM
Both Ray and Robert are correct. In Christie's 1999 sale a CM A8 locker was sold from the Apollo 13 mission. However, in Christie's 2001 sale a CM A8 locker was sold from the Apollo 15 mission for a hammer price of $15,000, $17,625 with commissions. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-27-2005 11:38 AM
Thank you Steve, for the clarification. For what it is worth, according to the Cosmosphere inventory, the only "missing" locker from Apollo 15, identied as having been loaned for the filming of "Apollo 13", was an "A1". |
snf13
Member Posts: 74
From: Houston
Registered: May 2004
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posted 04-22-2008 12:29 PM
Has anyone gone back to look at their auction catalogs from these years? |
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