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rjb1elec
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posted 04-10-2007 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjb1elec   Click Here to Email rjb1elec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All

I plan to visit Kennedy Space Ctr in September (can't wait). As I live in the UK, I was lucky enough to catch one of Sy Liebergot's lectures in London, and would like to fly to Houston and if possible go and see the Apollo mission control. Does anybody know if that's possible, do they operate some kind of guided tour, and if possible how much time should I allow myself to see everything.

Any information would be greatly appreciated. I have been a cSer for a few years now, so if this has been covered before then I apologise.

Many thanks
regards richard

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-10-2007 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Richard, you have two choices, both available through Space Center Houston, the visitor center for Johnson Space Center:
  • The NASA (tram) tour, included with admission, includes visits to the Historic Mission Control, current Mission Control and the Space Vehicle Mock-Up Facility. Access is limited to viewing galleys.

  • The 4.5 hour Level Nine Tour, which is limited to only 12 people per day and can be reserved in advance for a ticket price of $80 (which includes the regular admission to SCH), includes visits to both mission controls, the Space Vehicle Mock-Up Facility, the Space Environment Simulation Lab and the Neutral Buoyancy Lab. The tour also includes lunch inside one of the employee cafeterias, where you might spot an astronaut or two.
For more information, see Space Center Houston's website: www.spacecenter.org

mjanovec
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posted 04-10-2007 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the Historic Mission Control, what is the level of access for both tours? Is it limited to a viewing galley for both tours...or does the Level Nine Tour let you walk among the consoles?

I didn't see this answered here, so I went to the site linked to, but they didn't provide the answer on their Level Nine page (or the FAQ).

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-10-2007 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The tram tour keeps the tourists behind the glass of the viewing galley at both mission control rooms. I've heard mixed reports from Level Nine participants: some say they have been walked onto the floor of the Apollo-era room, while others say they have been only allowed in the galley. Since I'm local, I'll call over there tomorrow and inquire...

MCroft04
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posted 04-12-2007 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mjanovec:
For the Historic Mission Control, what is the level of access for both tours? Is it limited to a viewing galley for both tours...or does the Level Nine Tour let you walk among the consoles?
We were allowed only in the viewing galley, but the level 9 tour is still worth the money. But I'm sure in addition to policy, specific circumstances dictate what you're allowed to do. If I recall when we did the level 9 tour there was a group touring the console floor. The highlight of the day was when we visited the ISS control center. I'm traveling at this time so I don't have access to my personal notes, but one of the key NASA officials responsible for vehicle recovery came out and talked to us for about 30 minutes, including his views on the loss of Columbia. I strongly recommend the Level 9 tour.

garymilgrom
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posted 04-16-2007 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Richard - I have high resolution images of the MOCR from the NASA tour. Send me email to gary@atlantapixel.com if you would like copies.

Regards

Gary Milgrom

OV-105
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posted 04-16-2007 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OV-105   Click Here to Email OV-105     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't they just change that MOCR over for the ISS last year?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-16-2007 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by OV-105:
Didn't they just change that MOCR over for the ISS last year?
An Apollo-era mission control was revived for ISS, just not the same one being discussed by this thread. The room now in use for ISS control is FCR-1 (previously MOCR-1). The Apollo Mission Control Center, a National Historic Landmark, is FCR-2 (MOCR-2), which is one floor above FCR-1.

SpaceDust
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posted 04-27-2007 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceDust     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone! Just got back from a trip to Texas and wanted to tell you all what we saw at the Johnson Space Center on April 21st. We saw Building 9. Yes, that was it. No Mission Control…Nothing. Okay, I’ll start from the beginning. We arrived at Space Center Houston with high hopes of seeing all kinds of cool, neat, things. When one walks through the front doors of SCH you expect to have something to set the theme and make you want to see more. Walking through the front doors we first see all these little kids running in all directions and a large set of monkey bars just like the ones you find in any McDonald’s that has a play ground. We made a bolt for the trams to take the tour of JSC the very first thing. As we waited for the tram to get fully loaded the tour guide talked about Building 44 where the shooting took place the day before. He never said what actually happened there so you could tell that some people were left in the dark and never did really know what the man was talking about. As the tour got under way we passed 44 and not a word of it was mentioned nor was it pointed out. We than passed right by Mission Control (Building 30), again not a word said. Our first stop was Building 9 where the astronauts train in simulators for ISS and shuttle missions. The girl inside telling what was in the building and what the various simulators were used for was not very informative and kept backing up and correcting herself until her speech was just a jumbled mess. After about 10 minutes in Building 9 we were loaded back on the tram and we took a road that went around the complete outskirts of the space center. Various buildings were pointed out and what takes place inside of them, but looking at the outsides of a bunch of building really didn’t give anyone a thrill. Driving through any industrial park in the U.S. would have given the same thrill level of excitement. We than proceeded to the front of the space center were we were told to look for a circle of tree on our left. These were the trees planted for the astronauts that had given their lives for the conquest of space. The problem here was that the trees were on our right and they lined the roadway and were not in a circle at all. Our next stop was to the Rocket Park. If you had never seen a Saturn V, Redstone Mercury, or a Little Joe with an Apollo spacecraft on top then this could be a trill for a first timer, but I have see a Saturn V launch twice and seen others before…so no thrill factor here. After spending some time we loaded ourselves on the tram again and returned to Space Center Houston. Tour over, hope you enjoyed it.

Once back at Space Center Houston, as I said before, it was just a bunch of kids running around with no plans. Not much to look at that was real honest to goodness space artifacts. They had one LARGE room with spacesuits and other items with names besides each one making you believe that this person had something to do with that item. When reading further you discover that the astronaut’s who’s name is next to that item may have worn or used an item similar to the item that you were looking at. Again, no real honest to goodness flown space artifacts, just a large room with a lot of wasted space. To help make this story short, just about every room was geared towards a child under 10 years of age and very little for an adult.

I had been to Space Center Houston twice before in years past and I knew that Apollo 17, Gemini 5, and MA-9 were in that building somewhere but they had all been moved since my last visit. I was ready to cut to the chase so I went to the information desk and asked a young man about college age on where I could find the Apollo 17 Command Module. His reply was that Apollo 17 was located at the Rocket Park in the building with the large rocket (meaning the Saturn V). When I told him that it wasn’t there he tried to tell me that it was. Around and around that conversation went until I got fed up with him and said….”Your talking about the Saturn V, the three stage rocket with seven and a half million pounds of thrust at launch that stands 363 feet tall, that took American astronauts to the moon in the late 60’s to early 70’s….NO IT'S NOT THERE!” I had his attention now! His next reply was….”Oh that little thing” making gestures with his hands like he was making a snow ball…I stopped him and said “YES that thing”! We finally made a connection! He told me that I would have to go through a movie theatre, or if I didn’t want to see the movie to go down the hallway behind the monkey bars that all the kids were climbing and screaming from. Doing as he said, sure enough after a few hours of seeing nothing, we had finally hit pay dirt. There was real honest to goodness flown space artifacts, Apollo 17, Gemini 5, MA-9, several moon rocks and other things to see.

So, to sum this all up, the tour of JSC was not worth it or for SCH to even bother to gas the tram up for. If you want to see JSC up close wait until they have an open house. I’ve been to two open houses and you see a whole lot more including Mission Control, the old Lunar Receiving Laboratory and more….from the inside not just the outside of the buildings.

As for Space Center Houston, it just a high price play ground to wear kids down so they will sleep good that night. Not much there for adults to see and do, and it’s sure not worth the $32 (with $4 off coupons) that we paid to get in, plus the $5 to park. The staff is not informed and don’t have a clue where things are. They all need to be retrained if they ever were to begin with. I would also suggest them to get rid of the head curator since all they really need are baby sitters to entertain the kids that are there. Yes, I was really disappointed in the place.

If you’re coming to the U.S. from another country to see America’s space program, go to KSC or to Huntsville, Alabama and you will not be disappointed. I would hate for anyone to make a long trip and be as disappointed as my wife and I were with JSC and SCH.

If you have been to Space Center Houston within the past month or so, I would like to hear your experiences and what you thought of the place. What I really would like to know is why there was so little to see and do at a major space center as Johnson.

MCroft04
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posted 04-27-2007 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow; you obviously hit SCH on a bad day. I suspect that the limited tour to JSC was due to the increased security associated with the recent shooting, which I can certainly understand. If you want to see more of JSC I recommend the Level 9 Tour discussed in a separate thread. I've had mixed results with the staff; many of them are very young and not very well informed, but I have met quite a few who knew a lot about what SCH has to offer. And yes SCH is clearly focused on kids, but I believe this is good. Many of them may not recall anything they saw at SCH, but there are those who will walk away with knowledge which may one day play a role in choosing their profession. In addition to the 3 flown spacecraft, I always enjoy spending time in the Skylab mockup and looking at the lunar rocks. So while you had a bad day at SCH I would still recommend it to others who have not visited. It's not very often that you see 3 flown spacecraft at one location!

TRS
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posted 05-26-2007 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TRS   Click Here to Email TRS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well - not in the last month, but in August last year we did the JSC level 9 tour and it was a brilliant experience - yes not only onto the floor of the MOCR but even the chance to sit at the Flight Director's console and plenty of time to wander freely around the room and take in what it meant to be there. Our guide had worked at JSC in the electronics area and took time at the end of the tour to take us aside and say how much having people from overseas who appreciated the early NASA history meant for guides like her.

I would agree that if you are only going into the front area at JSC it is a bit grim, but man, the lecture followed by the museum areas are just great -

Cheers

Craig


Our experience there was fantastic and I can't rate it highly enough. There's partial write-up in the autograph shows threads from about September last year.

Edited by TRS

PS - thanks to Dave and Sharon for guest appearances ;-)

Edited by TRS

lewarren
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posted 05-26-2007 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lewarren   Click Here to Email lewarren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SpaceDust:
We than proceeded to the front of the space center were we were told to look for a circle of tree on our left. These were the trees planted for the astronauts that had given their lives for the conquest of space. The problem here was that the trees were on our right and they lined the roadway and were not in a circle at all.


Sorry for your bad experience at Space Center Houston!

I wanted to point out the the Memorial Grove of trees planted for astronauts is indeed a circle of trees on the left. The trees along the left of the roadway have been planted for individuals other than astronauts.

I suppose that, due to the shooting at JSC the day before, the route of the tram may have been temporarily altered and perhaps you did not go by the Memorial Grove.

Edited by lewarren

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