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Author Topic:   Member poll: NASA's new vision - Hooray or Boo?
Matt T
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posted 04-16-2010 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the plan's finalized; with congressional backing this is what NASA will be doing next. I'd be curious to see (very unscientifically) what the feeling across cS is. So how about it? One word answer, keep the debate in the other threads.

Matt T
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posted 04-16-2010 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo!

ejectr
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posted 04-16-2010 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hooray!

SpaceAholic
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posted 04-16-2010 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sustained Boo...

jimsz
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posted 04-16-2010 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jimsz   Click Here to Email jimsz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not state as you have that the plans are finalized.

If this President is discarded in 2+ years, the plans will change yet again. If he is reelected and replaced in 6 years, the plans will change again in 7 years.

As for this plan - Boo.

Lunar rock nut
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posted 04-16-2010 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunar rock nut   Click Here to Email Lunar rock nut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo-humbug!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-16-2010 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeing as this poll is unscientific, I assume it will be acceptable if I share the votes of those members who have e-mailed since yesterday who wrote to say that they have no desire to participate publicly but have a strong opinion about the new plan for NASA.

If so, then add seven members' Hoorays.

(As for myself, I have yet to share my personal thoughts on this plan [though I am sure many think I am fully behind it] so I will continue to abstain.)

Fra Mauro
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posted 04-16-2010 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Long, loud sustained boo from me.

Robert, you should feel free to voice your opinion. Just as we shouldn't feel restrained from making comments, neither should you.

Matt T
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posted 04-16-2010 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes sounds eminently fair but - can any future silent voters who wish to participate please address this specific question i.e. Hooray! or Boo!? Otherwise we're effectively just going back to the previous thread where people were counting posts for and against for a sense of the mood.

Let your voice be heard! (Anonymously if you wish).

Hooray! or Boo!?

Tykeanaut
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posted 04-16-2010 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BOO!!

garymilgrom
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posted 04-16-2010 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hooray from me. There is not one process or product that is the same today as it was 50 years ago - why should we access space in the same manner? Although I will always love NASA's glory days I have to believe there is a more efficient way to space. We can always go back to the old ways if these new ideas (private sector) don't work as well as we hope.

BNorton
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posted 04-16-2010 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BNorton   Click Here to Email BNorton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BOO

Delta7
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posted 04-16-2010 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither. I've adopted a wait-and-see attitude.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-16-2010 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add another anonymous member's ("cautiously optimistic") Hooray.

jimsz
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posted 04-16-2010 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jimsz   Click Here to Email jimsz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Casting a vote via the Admin is a bit bizarre.

cjh5801
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posted 04-16-2010 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cjh5801   Click Here to Email cjh5801     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see the point in a nonscientific poll. It tells me more about the political views of the collectors of space memorabilia than about the future of the space program.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new direction, but would still like to see considerably more funding for the space program. Your poll doesn't capture that.

rasorenson
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posted 04-16-2010 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rasorenson   Click Here to Email rasorenson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEA! with thumbs up. I think we will look back and see that NASA is investing in a 21st century infrastructure with far greater capability than simply launching Ares on outdated equipment. It's time private interests were brought to the plate which I think will ultimately make orbital access easier, cheaper and user friendly. We can get to ISS on the cheap. Going to the moon (while I'd love to) had no real goal (mining for H3?) and frankly, the Ares/Orion combo just isn't Mars bound. It was new money on old ideas. Let's get going!

Greggy_D
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posted 04-16-2010 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cjh5801:
It tells me more about the political views of the collectors of space memorabilia than about the future of the space program.


How is this correlation made? Because members do not like the plan they are anti-Obama or anti-Democrat? I fail to see the link.

Aztecdoug
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posted 04-16-2010 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This speech was political in nature and really has to be weighed in that light. If you want to read some awesome dodging the point verbiage read what he says about returning to the Moon.

Now, I understand that some believe that we should attempt a return to the surface of the Moon first, as previously planned. But I just have to say pretty bluntly here: We've been there before. Buzz has been there. There's a lot more of space to explore, and a lot more to learn when we do. So I believe it's more important to ramp up our capabilities to reach -- and operate at -- a series of increasingly demanding targets, while advancing our technological capabilities with each step forward.

He does not say explicitly that we will not return to the Moon. There are no firm sound bites on that topic that you can walk away with. So you really are left interpreting what he says instead of reading it literally. This is quite a brilliant job in delivering bad news without leaving a quote for anybody to hang a hat on. He is a top flight orator and to be honest John McCain and George Bush were not so silver tongued. Ronald Reagan was another example of a great orator in our times. The trick is whether the deeds will match the words here.

So in this case you need to go back on his record and see if he lives up to what his promises have been in the past. Based on him living up to his words during the campaign of hope and change etc., and how he has conducted his administration, in conjunction with his Congress, I would say that I am left hoping that his words do come true, but sadly skeptical that they will not.

Boo

cjh5801
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posted 04-16-2010 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cjh5801   Click Here to Email cjh5801     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Greggy_D:
How is this correlation made? Because members do not like the plan they are anti-Obama or anti-Democrat? I fail to see the link.

Have you read the other thread? The Obama bashing is rampant throughout the postings of those who have voiced opposition to the new plan. Positions don't strictly split along political lines, but the discussion has been so heavily colored by politics that it's difficult not to make the correlation.

I'd like to see rational consideration of the plan free from political bias on either side. I've yet to see it here.

Rick Boos
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posted 04-16-2010 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Boos   Click Here to Email Rick Boos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BOO!!!!

alanh_7
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posted 04-16-2010 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanh_7   Click Here to Email alanh_7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a outside observer, who lived in the United States for ten years, I like some of the things Obama has done and is trying to do. But I have to say I think he dropped the ball on this one.

Boo.

Michael Davis
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posted 04-16-2010 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Davis   Click Here to Email Michael Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cjh5801:
Have you read the other thread? The Obama bashing is rampant throughout the postings of those who have voiced opposition to the new plan.

Agreed. The there seems to be a small group of posters crying "See! I told you not to vote for that socialist! Now look at what he's done to my space program!" It is a "the sky is falling" cry that has little to do with whether the stated goals are actually worthwhile. Odd given that there was little outcry about a completely underfunded and mostly imaginary lunar initiative that would never actually take place when it came from a conservative administration. I guess the animations and flag backdrops where better at the Bush press events. Hooray and now on to Mars please.

MrSpace86
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posted 04-16-2010 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo.

DChudwin
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posted 04-16-2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cautious YAY!

Constellation was poorly designed and managed and wasn't getting anywhere. Def not sustainable.

Getting commercial companies involved in orbiting cargo and crew is essential if we are truly going to develop a spacefaring civilization-- this is good. We cannot just depend on government.

Main problem is that future NASA goals are fuzzy and too far in the future, long after Obama will be out of office. It should not take 5 years to design a heavy lift rocket, nor should it take 15 years to get astronauts to an asteroid or 25 years to orbit Mars. It only took a little over 8 years from JFK setting the goal of landing on the Moon to the acheievement of that goal, at a time when the infrastructure we have now was not available.

The good news is that we do have some explicit goals consistent with the "flexible path" outlined by the Augustine Commission. The bad news is that many of us may not be alive if they actually happen (I would be 85 in 2035 for the first Mars expedition, assuming its not delayed more in the interim).

robsouth
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posted 04-16-2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not good

SpaceAholic
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posted 04-16-2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DChudwin:
Main problem is that future NASA goals are fuzzy and too far in the future, long after Obama will be out of office...

The good news is that we do have some explicit goals consistent with the "flexible path" outlined by the Augustine Commission.


How are these two statements consistent? What explicit goals (when/where/how) have been offered by Obama?

Playalinda
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posted 04-16-2010 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Playalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If NASA was an automobile I would not like to be a passenger as it is rather slow, aimless and nearly out of control.

Sorry to say this but I don't see any adult driving (running) it at this time.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-16-2010 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems readers are missing the point of this thread as introduced by Matt, so here it is again:
quote:
Originally posted by Matt T:
One word answer, keep the debate in the other threads.

DChudwin
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posted 04-16-2010 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAholic:
How are these two statements consistent? What explicit goals (when/where/how) have been offered by Obama?
I should have said that the timetables are fuzzy.

The explicit goals are:

  1. Continuing ISS past 2020
  2. Heavy lift rocket development and construction
  3. Human mission to an asteroid
  4. Human mission to orbit Mars
  5. Advanced technology development

Tyler
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posted 04-16-2010 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tyler   Click Here to Email Tyler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo.

I remain thankful that President George W. Bush set a very worthy goal six years ago: returning to the Moon. It doesn't matter that we've "been there." What matters is that one would have to be crazy to say six Apollo landings resulted in a complete scientific understanding of the Moon. NASA needs to become a destination specific organization, and Bush set this country on that path. Under our current president, the agency will revert back to the old mode: waiting for a goal to present itself, and flying astronauts in circles in the meantime.

SpaceAholic
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posted 04-16-2010 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DChudwin:
I should have said that the timetables are fuzzy.

Without concurrently specifying the architecture, timetable, destination and what major objectives are intended to be accomplished upon arrival the goals are non-explicit.

James Brown
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posted 04-16-2010 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brown   Click Here to Email James Brown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BOO!!!

Blackarrow
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posted 04-16-2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo! Actually, boo-hoo.

Spacefest
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posted 04-16-2010 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacefest   Click Here to Email Spacefest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea

Saturn V
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posted 04-16-2010 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn V     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And what part of "one word answer" is not intelligable to some of you??

Now look what you have done....I typed more than one word!!!

DC Giants
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posted 04-16-2010 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DC Giants   Click Here to Email DC Giants     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally agree with the statement that Neil Armstrong and 26 other astronauts and NASA legends issued that was critical of President Obama's plan.

So....Boo!

Space Emblem Art
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posted 04-16-2010 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Emblem Art   Click Here to Email Space Emblem Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo, boo and boo.

Playalinda
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posted 04-16-2010 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Playalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can so many boo's be wrong? No they can't!

That's what democracy is all about everyone can express their opinion.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-16-2010 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Playalinda:
Can so many boo's be wrong? No they can't!
Far more formal polls than this one conducted at the time showed that the majority didn't support going to the Moon in 1961. In fact, the majority didn't support going to the Moon for all the years leading up to the landing. Were all those "boo's" wrong?


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