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cosmic_buffalo
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posted 07-08-2015 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmic_buffalo   Click Here to Email cosmic_buffalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious how others on the community feel about Edgar Mitchell's very consistent and nonchalant assertions of UFO sighting, alien visitation, and the subsequent government coverup. I'm not necessarily asking if you believe him, but rather how you foresee this affecting his legacy as a respected Naval officer, astronaut, Ph.d., Apollo 14 lunar module pilot, moonwalker, presidential award recipient, etc.

I don't mean any disrespect to Dr. Mitchell and do not accuse him of any wrong doing, I am just curious how others perceive his space legacy with this consideration.

Grounded!
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posted 07-09-2015 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grounded!   Click Here to Email Grounded!     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In view of his many accomplishments, I think his legacy is secure. He walked on the moon! That's good enough for me.

I have a relative who thinks the moon landings were filmed at area 51, and there's no changing her mind.

She is wrong, but he may just be right.

astrobock
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posted 07-09-2015 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrobock   Click Here to Email astrobock     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that my opinion matters, but I think it is just a matter of time before what he claims to be proven true. Why would we discount a person so intelligent to be selected for astronaut/moon mission duties? I believe him and think others who claim to have witnessed unexplainable things (which I have) also believe him.

Unfortunately there are so many similar unrealistic stories, which make all related story subjects suspect; an effort that could be part of a larger conspiracy cover up. He is fortunate to have a platform most others do not.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-09-2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It should be noted that Dr. Mitchell's belief in extraterrestrial UFOs is just that, a belief, for which he has no direct evidence or experience. To quote him:
I consider myself fairly well informed, although I have not seen one personally.
So in that sense, I personally consider his belief no different than Charlie Duke's stated faith in the Christian religion (as just an example). We all have our own belief systems and we are free to express them. What we've done in our life otherwise does not impart additional validity and therefore shouldn't have an impact on our legacies.

mikepf
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posted 07-09-2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikepf   Click Here to Email mikepf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I do not necessarily accept everything he has said about the nature of life, the universe, and everything, I do believe that he is sincere in his efforts to learn all that he can. So to me, his legacy will be that he will be remembered as what the title of his book suggests, an explorer.

DeepSea
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posted 07-09-2015 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepSea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikepf:
I do believe that he is sincere in his efforts to learn all that he can. So to me, his legacy will be that he will be remembered as what the title of his book suggests, an explorer.
That's beautifully put, mikepf.

cosmic_buffalo
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posted 07-09-2015 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmic_buffalo   Click Here to Email cosmic_buffalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thoughts - thanks, guys.

Personally, I think it pompous and unfounded to assume we are alone in the universe, but I don't think there's any good reason to believe they've visited us or that the government is remotely capable of covering up such a thing. Even by the most remote statistical chance any being out there is either too far to contact us either by radio waves, let alone in-"person" and if they are any more advanced, they would likely be too far away (thousands of lightyears) to come our way in the same timeframe as our species existing, certainly too far to come with knowledge of our existence.

Since his claims are in the form of hearsay with no falsifiable evidence, I don't think Dr. Mitchell has justifiable beliefs in this area, but I think they are relatively harmless and sincere. I hope his legacy isn't hurt by being a spokesman a for another's hoax or hearsay if that's the case, but I can only operate on the best information I have and I cannot say whether or not he doesn't do the same.

It's just been on my mind. I admit, it's the first thing that pops into my head when I read his name or see his picture — so almost daily — but I don't begrudge him or dismiss him. I was just curious how others perceive him and his legacy. Interesting feedback, thanks!

(I should add that I'm not an experienced enough collector [one full year in the hobby] to say it hurts his collectibility, but his signatures and items are on the cheapest rung of the moonwalker ladder, but he's also pretty active, so his availibilty helps the supply side, I supposed.)

fredtrav
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posted 07-10-2015 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A good part of the reason that prices for his items, collectible wise, are so inexpensive, is that he makes them so. You can go to his website and purchase several different pictures signed by him for $75. You can also send him what you want signed for the same price. A small inscription adds $10 and for longer you would have to check with him. He has not jumped on the bandwagon of high fees.

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posted 07-10-2015 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for R. Wandelt   Click Here to Email R. Wandelt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I attended an appearance of his a few years ago at a large residential community clubhouse in South Florida near his home.

He was willing to sign the admission ticket for free but anything else required purchase or a fee.

I was disappointed that of the few questions allowed from the audience (due to time), most were regarding UFO and other metaphysical and existential subjects.

Fra Mauro
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posted 07-14-2015 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Granted, Ed Mitchell flew only one mission and he is not a household name and he was not the most popular astronaut around. However, he still did something that only 11 others did.

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posted 08-14-2015 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for R. Wandelt   Click Here to Email R. Wandelt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not surprised if this has already been posted by the keen membership here but this was in today's local paper.
An Apollo astronaut, and Lake Worth resident, is saying aliens are to thank for preventing nuclear war between America and Russia.
What does this do 'for' hoaxers as his credibility may be questioned by some?

mjanovec
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posted 08-14-2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That article uses the Daily Mirror as its source for the story. Therefore, take anything you read with a grain of salt.

(For Americans unfamiliar with the Daily Mirror, the closest comparison would be the National Enquirer.)

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 08-14-2015 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But "Men in Black" showed that the tabloids are the prime source of information!

Jonnyed
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posted 08-16-2015 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hadn't realized earlier that Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico. I travel out there every once in awhile on business and this info helps explain why he may be bent toward believing in ETs.

As many know, the whole city promotes ET themes for tourism and a small kid would undoubtedly pick up on all the talk while growing up in the town.

(Fantastic steak restaurants in Roswell though.)

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-16-2015 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mitchell was born in 1930; the Roswell "UFO incident" didn't occur until he was 17, so he didn't grow up with what is now the local lore.

Jonnyed
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posted 08-16-2015 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Robert. Good point. What an interesting coincidence then -- the connection between Mitchell and Roswell.

SpaceAholic
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posted 08-16-2015 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But he would have been old enough (as an impressionable teenager) to internalize the incident and have it shape his future perspective on the issue.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-16-2015 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Except that the UFO lore surrounding the event didn't gain traction until the 1970s.
The military decided to conceal the true purpose of the crashed device – nuclear test monitoring – and instead inform the public that the crash was of a weather balloon. ...historian Robert Goldberg wrote that the intended effect was achieved: "the story died the next day."

Subsequently the incident faded from the attention of UFO enthusiasts for more than 30 years.

SpaceAholic
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posted 08-16-2015 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were spectacular headlines, particularly in the local papers at the time... the lore may have not taken root nationally until sometime later but I wouldn't discount immediate local impact.

albatron
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posted 08-16-2015 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually at the time of the incident, it was well known in the area, until the military moved in and shushed it up. Rumors and other things abounded, so it's not hard to believe he knew of it. (Whether it actually was a weather balloon, UFO or Joe Kittinger who claimed to be the red haired guy throwing anthropomorphic dummies out of a cargo aircraft.)

In any event, I know Ed very well. Not opining on whether I believe or disbelieve his story (that's irrelevant) I look at it this way. He was arguably considered the most brilliant of the pre-shuttle astronauts by his peers.

Has anyone read (or been able to actually read) his book "The Way of the Explorer"? And are familiar with his research with and involvement with the Institute of Noetic Science? I suggest you do so since this can give you some background as to why he feels the way he does.

So due to his intellect, I am loath to dismiss him as some sort of "out there" guy.

A short time back I attended a Rotary Luncheon locally, where he was the guest speaker. He spoke about his lunar mission of course, but the last half of his talk was all about this issue of aliens and UFOs. He is very passionate about it.

The last Spacefest he chatted several people up about it. Some guy interviewed him in the hotel lobby about it for an article.

So it may be the Daily Mail — but I've no doubt he actually said it to them.

Now to your question — some do dismiss him as wacky and I feel those who are fast to do that do allow that to affect his legacy. But those truly learned about him — and his place in history — not so much.

Blackarrow
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posted 08-17-2015 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed Mitchell rode a Saturn V and walked on the Moon. That's good enough for me.

Jonnyed
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posted 08-17-2015 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And he played golf with Alan Shepard on the moon -- that's really good enough for me.

mode1charlie
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posted 08-17-2015 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Al (albatron) said.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-27-2015 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by albatron:
So it may be the Daily Mail — but I've no doubt he actually said it to them.
As it turns out, in this specific case, Mitchell says he did not.
"I don't know where The Mirror got the story," Mitchell, 84, said in an email to The Huffington Post, accusing the paper of fabricating his quotes and denying that an interview for this story ever took place.

...when HuffPost asked Mitchell if he had told The Mirror that peace-loving aliens came to Earth to stop a nuclear war, that aliens were interested in our atomic weapons testing areas, and that ETs attempted to keep us from going to war and help create peace on Earth, he said, simply, "None of those statements were originated by me."

...HuffPost contacted Jasper Hamill, who wrote the story in The Mirror. He maintains that he accurately reported his May 5 conversation with Mitchell. A Mirror editorial spokesman, Ben Rankin, confirmed Hamill "stands by his story and has notes from the interview he conducted with Mr. Mitchell."

Mitchell does believe ETs have an interest in humanity's destructive capabilities. In his email to HuffPost, he states the following:

"I have told several sources about my connections over the years with military officers manning missile silos during the Cold War with the Soviet Union who told me personally of UFOs hovering over their missile sites and disabling the missiles targeting the Soviet Union.

"Also, that some of our military missiles were shot down by UFOs during some missile tests from a military station on the California coast. This was rather common knowledge coming from various military officers from years back."

fredtrav
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posted 08-27-2015 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hamill has notes. Well notes can be created to make the story look like fact and just because he has notes does not make the story true. If he had recordings, it would be another story, but I am disinclined to believe the reporter. Produce audio and then I will revisit what I said.

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