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Topic: Edgar Mitchell emails in WikiLeaks release
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Glint
Member Posts: 1040
From: New Windsor, Maryland USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 10-12-2016 06:36 AM
   
The WikiLeaks organization has released email messages sent to John Podesta from Edgar Mitchell. Seems to reference warp drive (a.k.a. zero point energy) technology and space war. Here's an excerpt from an email sent by Mitchell in August, 2015: Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth," Mitchell wrote. "They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space. I believe that ETI stands for "extra-terrestrial intelligence." |
jtheoret
Member Posts: 344
From: Albuquerque, NM USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 10-12-2016 06:38 AM
The source code and headings offer absolutely no evidence these emails came from Mitchell. They come from a woman named Terri Mansfield. I corresponded and spoke with Mitchell on this and many subjects for many years. These two emails do not sound like him at all and I believe they are self-serving efforts by Mansfield. I know it's tempting for some to think Ed was a UFO nut and "out there" and leave it at that, but his views have been misrepresented and these latest should be viewed with the utmost skepticism. Ed was a brilliant and deliberate man with understandings vastly different than the stuff you'll find on Terri Mansfield's websites. |
Glint
Member Posts: 1040
From: New Windsor, Maryland USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 10-12-2016 10:44 PM
The reporting is to the effect that the emails sent from Mansfield's address to the Podesta camp were transmitted on Dr. Mitchell's behalf. She has said they collaborated and that Mitchell was the email's author. Why do you believe that she was doing it out of a "self serving" interest? Are you saying that she was a "ghost writer" for the emails?The messages contain sections addressed to Podesta ("John") with Mitchell's signature. Some of them have introductory segments added by Mansfield. Here are the three emails in the dump: The emails speak of Zero Point Energy. Wasn't that one of the main focuses of Quantrek, one of his organizations? (I had never heard of it before the email revelations.)One person involved with it, Rebecca Hardcastle Wright, has said it sounds like Mitchell's writing: "Edgar's 2015 wikileaked email to John Podesta is accurate. It was emailed by Terri Mansfield on behalf of Edgar. The email reflects similar wording and content of Edgar's many emails that were sent during my 5 years of working with him at Quantrek." You expressed an opinion contrary to hers, saying that it doesn't sound like Mitchell's writing. I am curious as to specifically what it is about the text attributed to Mitchell in the emails you were referring to that lead you to suspect that they may be false? |
jtheoret
Member Posts: 344
From: Albuquerque, NM USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 10-13-2016 12:48 AM
There are many red flags. Why would a recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom need an unknown intermediary that introduces the sender as someone who will accompany him to this alleged requested meeting and further tell a story about this Mansfield's relative? The whole point of the first email was Mansfield establishing herself. Anyone can send an email and sign someone else's name. Why copy a number of people and not the person you are supposedly emailing on behalf of? Ed was more than capable of sending his own emails. Forgetting everything else, these issues alone don't pass a smell test. The emails themselves are not how Ed spoke or wrote about these issues. Yes, the emails use some terminology and his interests, but just don't sound like him based on my many private conversations with him and our correspondences. Ed was often misquoted and his ideas on the subject were complex and vastly superior to what is on Mansfield'S sites. Frankly, I can't see Mitchell needing her to do anything on his behalf. Bottom line, it doesn't sound like him, is inconsistent with my conversations and communications with him, and nothing in the emails indicates he had anything to do with it, except Mansfield claiming she sent the emails on his behalf. It makes for a good conspiracy story but Mitchell was a brilliant and serious man, and I don't believe the emails are his. I can't prove a negative, and I'm afraid there's probably no way I'd believe anything Mansfield had to say about it. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-13-2016 03:34 AM
A quick observation: if Mitchell wrote these, he misspelled his name in the subject line of the first email: email for John Podesta (c/o Eryn) from Edgar Mitchel re meeting ASAP That aside, I will caution that this whole subject borders on being off-topic for this forum. The only relevance any of this has to space history is that Mitchell was an astronaut, so I'll ask that the discussion stays focused on the question of authenticity and leave the other aspects of this story, as it is, to other websites. |
Glint
Member Posts: 1040
From: New Windsor, Maryland USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 10-13-2016 09:34 PM
That Terri Mansfield person wrote the container email including the misspelled subject line introducing the in-line message from Edgar Mitchell. Mitchell did not write the header or transmit the final message to Podesta himself. Mansfield wrote the header and intro then inserted the text purportedly penned by Mitchell.It's common for VIPs to use surrogates for handling correspondence on their behalf. |
Glint
Member Posts: 1040
From: New Windsor, Maryland USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 10-14-2016 03:10 PM
This topic now has an entry on Snopes. |
jtheoret
Member Posts: 344
From: Albuquerque, NM USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 10-14-2016 06:15 PM
I appreciate the post. I cannot say if, how and to what extent Mitchell may or may not have worked with or directed Mansfield to write any emails on his behalf. I can only say this (and this will be my last comment on the matter), I spoke with him at length about his views on ETs (I did not agree with him that they were or had visited earth, but all his views were based on secondhand reports made to him by people he believed, and not any direct contact or knowledge) and conceptions of "God," a word he was not prone to use, thus, the statements below I do not believe come from him as they completely contradict and run contrary to everything we ever discussed. Therefore, I question the authenticity of the emails. The ETI (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) with whom Suzanne and Terri work are peaceful, nonviolent and obedient to God.They are NOT from our universe but from a CONTIGUOUS universe. They are the highest form of intelligence working directly with God. That is all. He was brilliant and inquisitive and not afraid to explore the boundaries of knowledge and belief — but he was not a nut. The quoted statements above are those of a nut, in my opinion. |
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