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Topic: Legendary Test Pilots Who Weren't Astronauts
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trajan Member Posts: 109 From: Chester, Cheshire, UK Registered: May 2004
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posted 12-12-2005 05:45 PM
Reading "First Man" recently, I was reminded of many of the great test pilots, many of whom flew the X-15, but who (unlike Armstrong and Engle) didn't join NASA. So why weren't the likes of Joe Walker, Bob White, Milt Thompson, Bruce Peterson and Bill Dana NASA astronauts? Did they apply and were unsuccessful? Did they decide NASA wasn't for them? Were they hindered by the selection criteria, ie. educational background? |
capoetc Member Posts: 2169 From: McKinney TX (USA) Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-12-2005 08:02 PM
Ok, I'll give it a shot.First of all, 12 men flew the X-15 and 10 of them (besides Engle and Armstrong) probably had very different reasons why they did not apply or were not accepted to ride NASA's "other" rockets. I don't really know a lot about Bruce Peterson. Walker, White, McKay, Rushworth, Engle, Knight, Dana, and Adams all qualified as astronauts in the X-15 by the US definition (over 80 km). By the international definition (Federation Aeronautique Internationale [FAI]) of over 100 km, only Walker would have qualified as an astronaut (he did it twice). Dana, McKay, and Walker only recently (Aug 2005) were awarded civilian pilot wings since NASA did not award pilot wings (or astronaut wings) to civilians previously. Dana was present at the ceremony, and McKay and Walker received their wings posthumously. So, perhaps some of the X-15 pilots thought that winged spacecraft were the way to go. Robert White became the 5th American in space on July 17, 1962, although with significantly less fanfare than the Mercury astronauts received. An interesting question, to say the least. On a related note, I had the opportunity to fly with Al Crews (MOL and X-20 DynaSoar pilot) a few years ago. I was doing a space shuttle TAL site support in Banjul, The Gambia, in a C-21 Learjet and he was assigned to represent the astronaut office at the site (we flew to check out the nav aids, lighting, etc, and then stayed airborne until after the shuttle passed the point where it could no longer go to the TAL site and would instead be able to get into orbit in the event of SSME loss.) Anyway, during the week we were there I asked Al about whether he had applied to be an astronaut. He said that he did apply, but he was too old to be selected, so he instead worked in the flight ops directorate flying a BUNCH of different NASA airplanes -- not a bad deal if you can get it! ------------------ John Capobianco Camden DE
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albatron@aol.com New Member Posts: From: Registered:
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posted 12-12-2005 08:32 PM
Very interesting insight John - thanks. Having spent a lot of time with Al Crews, I think I can add more to that. He actually did apply for the astronaut program - twice. The first time, the USAF diverted him (voluntarily but it was suggested to him the future was with the DynaSoar program). When that petered out, he reapplied, and again the USAF suggested MOL was the way to go. As a career USAF Officer you tend to listen to "suggestions". He did, and when the second program went by the wayside he was then too old. By the way he was a finalist each time he applied. So it is very possible he may well have been a moonwalker! For anyone interested in what Al Crews looks like today - here is a picture of him and some others in my living room taken recently. From left to right it is: Bud Evans, Paul Chell, Ken Chilstrom, Al Crews & Clyde Good. All former test pilots. Bud was also an advisor on the X-20 as was Bill Dana. I'll see Al this Friday (along with Bud) at the Florida Aviation Hall of Fame Induction ceremonies, where I will be giving the introductory speeches for Bob White and "Slick" Goodlin. Cheers, Al |
albatron@aol.com New Member Posts: From: Registered:
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posted 12-12-2005 10:22 PM
I forgot the link - sorry. I also forgot to mention Bob White has indicated to me he had never had any interest in going with NASA. http://members.aol.com/albatron/tps.jpg |
micropooz Member Posts: 1512 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 12-13-2005 08:42 AM
Yeah, a lot of these guys just loved being able to test-fly a different airplane practically every day, outside of the public microscope that was the manned space program. Plus many like White, Rushworth, and Forrest Petersen seemed more inclined to stay hardcore military (two went to Vietnam and all three reached flag rank). They had little interest in doing NASA's extensive training, PR, and politics in order to get a small handful of spaceflights. |
thump Member Posts: 575 From: washington dc usa Registered: May 2004
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posted 12-13-2005 08:50 AM
Bruce Peterson probably was unable to try for NASA due to injuries from his crash in the M2-F2 lifting body, as seen in the opening of The Six Million Dollar Man. |
albatron@aol.com New Member Posts: From: Registered:
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posted 12-17-2005 07:16 PM
Bob White and Al Crews were discussed in this thread, for anyone who wants to see what they look like today pop over to NEWS & EVENTS to the Florida Aviation Hall of Fame thread. Al | |
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