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Topic: [Bonhams] The Space History Sale (April 2014)
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Lou Chinal Member Posts: 1306 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 12-04-2013 09:04 AM
Bonhams of New York will be having a space auction Tuesday, April 8, 2014. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-11-2014 10:21 AM
ArtDaily reports that a BF Goodrich Mercury pressure suit will be included in Bonhams' upcoming auction: Cassandra Hatton, Bonhams Senior Specialist in Space History, reflected on the suit's appeal: "The Mercury spacesuit epitomizes the earliest days of space exploration, a time when our world was a smaller place. A direct parallel can be drawn to the time when Columbus first set sail in 1492. No one knew if he would ever make it back, and one could only imagine what he would encounter on the voyage. It was a time of fear and wonder, and the Mercury era was exactly the same. Astronauts were regarded as heroes, doing what we all wished we had the courage to do, and risking their lives for the greater good of mankind. This suit is a symbol of that courage, and an important historic relic." In addition to the iconic project Mercury suit, Bonhams will offer a Russian Strizh spacesuit, designed to protect cosmonauts from ejection at altitudes up to 30 kilometers and speeds up to Mach 3 (est. $15,000-20,000). The rare example is one of only 27 created for test and training purposes between 1981-1991, many of which were damaged or destroyed. |
Spacehardware Member Posts: 125 From: Durley Registered: Jan 2008
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posted 02-13-2014 05:32 AM
Exciting, but if it's genuine, I think Bonham's has left off a zero or two on the estimate for the Mercury suit. |
Dave Owen Member Posts: 28 From: Te Awamutu, Waikato, New Zealand Registered: Oct 2008
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posted 02-22-2014 07:31 AM
Gizmodo is reporting a few more items. |
Spacehardware Member Posts: 125 From: Durley Registered: Jan 2008
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posted 03-07-2014 11:42 AM
Catalog(ue) is up on their website. Anyone have any thoughts about the Mercury suit (...including what make of truck ran over it)? |
spaced out Member Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 03-07-2014 02:59 PM
Interesting to see one of the one-piece Gemini 9 Crew Souvenir Patches accompanied by a Stafford LOA stating it as flown on the mission - lot 136. That's the first time I've seen one of these identified as flown.
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LOR New Member Posts: From: Registered:
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posted 03-08-2014 06:45 PM
Lot #47. Official Contractor Spacecraft Model Issued By Grumman.It is valued at $4,000-$5,000 I do not see anything special about this model, it is not even complete and yet has a large valuation. Does anyone know any reasons for such an estimated price? I have not been following the market for topping LEM models, but I find Bonham's valuation quite a bit on the expensive side. |
Lev M Member Posts: 139 From: Canada Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 03-08-2014 07:44 PM
#228 - is not Armstrong on the photo. Misleading. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 03-08-2014 10:31 PM
In quickly glancing over the lots, I have serious doubts about Lot 221. While the Collins and Aldrin signatures appear good, I personally believe the Armstrong signature is not authentic. |
chet Member Posts: 1506 From: Beverly Hills, Calif. Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-08-2014 10:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by LOR: I have not been following the market for topping LEM models, but I find Bonham's valuation quite a bit on the expensive side.
Auction house estimates are often meaningless insofar as any correlation to final hammer prices. |
chet Member Posts: 1506 From: Beverly Hills, Calif. Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-08-2014 10:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by mjanovec: I personally believe the Armstrong signature is not authentic.
I'm actually not thrilled with any of the three signatures, but I do agree the Armstrong is the least inspiring of the three. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-04-2014 09:59 AM
Bonhams Sr. Specialist in Space History Cassandra Hatton discussed their annual space history sale with Pimm Fox on Bloomberg Television's "Taking Stock."(Hatton is in error when asked who minted the Robbins medals; they were not minted by the government as she says, but rather by the Robbins Company, which is where they derive their unofficial name.) |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-04-2014 11:40 AM
Has anyone else noted that they start their bids at ridiculously high prices? I've never once purchased anything from this auction, and I doubt I ever would. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-04-2014 12:18 PM
You're not part of Bonhams' target market. Bonhams, like Christie's and Sotheby's, targets the affluent, luxury market. They aren't aiming for the collector's market. |
chet Member Posts: 1506 From: Beverly Hills, Calif. Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-04-2014 12:44 PM
In Ms. Hatton's (badly cut short) interview, she also mistakenly leaves viewers with the impression it is illegal to own moon fragments or dust — leaving out that that prohibition only applies to dust or fragments returned by the Apollo missions (and only then in instances where the bearer lacks clear title to it). |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-04-2014 02:15 PM
Has clear title ever been truly established for private ownership of any Apollo returned lunar dust? |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-04-2014 02:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: They aren't aiming for the collector's market.
A very good point, Robert. The amount of money a little bit of research can save you is amazing. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-04-2014 02:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by chet: ...leaving out that that prohibition only applies to dust or fragments returned by the Apollo missions
I own quite a lot of moon dust/meteorites, and also sell a lot of them. I have lost count of the amount of times I have had to explain to customers that owning moon dust isn't illegal unless it was the moon dust brought back by the Apollo astronauts. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-04-2014 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by SpaceAholic: Has clear title ever been truly established for private ownership of any Apollo returned lunar dust?
The astronauts were formally presented with the patches off their spacesuits and in the case of those who walked on the moon, the NASA transfer letter confirmed the presence of moon dust. |
4allmankind Member Posts: 1043 From: Dallas Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 04-04-2014 02:56 PM
In addition to the patches, checklists and other equipment on the flights have been stained with dust too. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-04-2014 03:01 PM
Yes, the checklists were stained, but to my knowledge the presence of that moon dust was not formally established (at least not by NASA).And, as we know, the checklists and other Apollo equipment only became legal (in the eyes of the government) in 2012 as the result of a bill that specifically precludes "lunar rocks and other lunar material." |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-04-2014 05:20 PM
They have been stained - but those artifacts were probably never affirmatively validated to host lunar material prior to relinquishment to private custody. While clear title to the artifacts may not be in question, I wonder if the dust has settled on ownership of remnant lunar soil itself. |
chet Member Posts: 1506 From: Beverly Hills, Calif. Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-04-2014 05:46 PM
Because the government, unlike most citizens, has unlimited funds to pursue a case, I'd have to say nothing is ever settled - just ask Ed Mitchell. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-08-2014 12:59 PM
The "Mercury Era Spacesuit" (Lot 56) that Bonhams promoted pre-sale and which was featured in the New York gallery's front window sold for $35,000 ($43,750 with buyer's premium). Cover layer from a Phase 2 Mercury era space suit, with early model "widow's peak" helmet, gloves, and mock-up boots. |
Greggy_D Member Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-08-2014 02:11 PM
That is a bit lower than what I thought the Mercury suit was going to sell for. |
Greggy_D Member Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-08-2014 03:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by mjanovec: In quickly glancing over the lots, I have serious doubts about Lot 221. While the Collins and Aldrin signatures appear good, I personally believe the Armstrong signature is not authentic.
Lot 221 sold for $7000 ($8750 with buyer's premium). quote: Originally posted by Lev M: #228 - is not Armstrong on the photo. Misleading.
Lot 228 sold for $6000 ($7500 with buyer's premium). |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-08-2014 04:41 PM
Not surprisingly, the highest prices paid were for Apollo 11 memorabilia: - Lot 210: Collins' Flown Crew-Signed Apollo 11 Emblem. A Rare Flown Armstrong-Signed Mission Artifact: Sold for US $62,500 inc. premium
- Lot 212: Flown Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Checklist Sheet Having One Of The Most Extensive Sets Of Notations Made While On The Moon: Sold for US $68,750 inc. premium
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chet Member Posts: 1506 From: Beverly Hills, Calif. Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-08-2014 04:46 PM
Prices have been pretty robust in nearly all areas, with the usual (often amazing) surprises. Congratulations to all. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-08-2014 06:56 PM
Just to offer some perspective: while Bonhams' Space History Sale was proceeding, another auction was ongoing in Hong Kong, where a 500-year-old Ming Dynasty "chicken cup" sold for a record $36 million. |
chet Member Posts: 1506 From: Beverly Hills, Calif. Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-08-2014 07:49 PM
For all I know about Ming dynasty "chicken cups", perhaps someone in Hong Kong got a bargain at $36 mil. But for a not too uncommon Conrad signed photo to bring over $5K... is pretty stunning. As they say, to each his own. |
Crsh4Csh Member Posts: 113 From: Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 04-08-2014 09:07 PM
I'm thrilled that I was able to acquire lot 212, the Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Checklist page. While I'm still in "sticker shock" at what it cost me, I just keep reminding myself that there are more Picassos in the world than these and I try and imagine what a simple page of Columbus' log would be worth today. Even if I'm eating TV dinners for a while, I'm sure someday my great, great grandchildren might raise a toast to me.
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One Big Monkey Member Posts: 169 From: West Yorkshire, UK Registered: Jul 2012
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posted 04-08-2014 11:17 PM
First time I've ever watched one of these and it was fascinating. Odd to see so man pieces get passed for not reaching the reserve — is that unusual? Were the seller's hopes unrealistic? Oh for an unlimited bank balance! |
David Carey Member Posts: 782 From: Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 04-08-2014 11:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Crsh4Csh: I'm thrilled that I was able to acquire lot 212, the Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Checklist page.
Congratulations! Great piece of history.As to the TV dinner, I'd recommend the Turkey and Dressing. |
Liembo Member Posts: 583 From: Bothell, WA Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 04-09-2014 12:58 AM
I've sold two largely complete Lion Brothers Apollo patch lots on eBay in the past month and they went for 1/10th the price of lot 184, I might have to borrow their wording for future sets! The Mercury patches in lot 121 also went for quite a handsome amount as well. |
GACspaceguy Member Posts: 2476 From: Guyton, GA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-09-2014 05:04 AM
It was cool to me that this auction was the closing segment on the 4/8/14 CBS Evening News. I saw a few things they panned by that we have similar items here at the house. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 93 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 04-19-2014 07:26 PM
Yes, they did a lot of TV coverage on the Mercury suit (CBS, Reuters, even the Weather Channel!). So I assumed the price for the featured items might get loopy. But not so much. I picked up the Mercury suit and the 8-ft. tall LM Primary Strut and Secondary Strut, and the flown Soyuz 23 shock absorber (I was a bit surprised when the prior item, an unflown Russian contractor's model went for 15x as much).As always, I would love any details or ancillary information anyone might have on these items (especially if the seller is willing to contact me). Does anyone know what the institution was (for the listing that said "Provenance: Property of an institution.")? Here are various screen captures on the press around the Mercury suit (in the comment stream): Flickr and Facebook. |
DG27 Member Posts: 173 From: USA Registered: Nov 2010
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posted 05-08-2014 03:01 AM
Congratulations on winning the Mercury suit.Based on the photos, the suit appears to be a display suit made by the B.F. Goodrich Company. This is evident by the lack of an internal pressure bladder layer, along with the absence of a pressure gauge on the arm and lack of the electrical biomedical monitor connector on the right thigh. Based on the photographs, the pressure gauge and electrical connector were never installed. Goodrich made an (unknown) quantity of display suits during the time they were making the Mercury flight suits. Amanda Young, former NASM Curator of Spacesuits, in her richly illustrated book “Spacesuits” refers to these suits as Anthropometric suits, meaning they are the shape of a suit but do not have the pressure bladder to function as a pressure suit. I prefer to call these suits as “Goodrich Display Suits” since all suits are anthropometric (ie having the shape of the human body). The exterior of the suits are the same as the flight suits with some exceptions for things like pressure gauges which on some suits are just mockup versions. The great thing about these Goodrich Display Suits are that they use, for the most part, real hardware and the fabric parts are made from the same materials as the flight pressure suits and from the same patterns. So essentially they are made off of the "production" line but were made without the pressure bladders since they were for display use only. The suit you acquired is the flight configuration (segmented shoulders) with the early style glove attachment method (zippered). This is representative of the configuration Alan Shepard used on his MR3 flight. (Later suits used ball lock glove disconnects). The gloves are of the earlier training configuration as is the helmet (based on the style of pressure valve on the side of the helmet. The helmet is also a “Display” version as it does not have a complete head liner and appears to never have had the internal wiring installed. The #2 written on the inside of the rear of the helmet shell refers to the number of the display suit and not head size. While missing a few parts the helmet is easily restorable to make it complete (visor pivot parts, microphone, as well as replacement of the cracked visor if desired). Other than the previously mentioned lack of pressure gauge and thigh electrical connector, the suit appears to only be missing the neckring latch. As Mercury suits age, and if not stored properly, the bonded metallic aluminum coating can disintegrate, leaving the brownish plasticized coating on the underlying olive drab base nylon material of the suit. This results in brown areas on the suit, or if the fabric is just heavily worn, the olive drab nylon shows thru the worn off aluminum coating as a dark greenish area. This suit has been sprayed with silver (aluminum) spray paint as evident by the overspray of most of the white webbing and white fabric areas on the suit. This results in the webbing appearing gray. Based on the photos it appears that most of the suit exterior has been painted. The only area that appears to not have been painted is the upper center of the suit adjacent to the NASA vector patch. I have seen several suits in museum storage areas that have had this done to them. Unfortunately it is impossible to remove the overspray from the webbing. Since aluminum paint does not have the same reflective characteristics as metalized aluminum, the fabric will appear as gray, not reflective silver. Fortunately, other than a couple small holes in the rear of the suit, as noted in the auction catalog, the suit fabric is intact and appears to be structurally sound which makes for a good display. The boots are a slightly different style than the Mercury flight boots, and they appear to be made of a highly reflective foil coated fabric usually seen on the early Goodrich Gemini prototypes. The boots are interesting, but the catalog photos are not clear enough to determine exactly what type the boots are. I hope this information is of some use to you. A Mercury suit is a great addition to any collection. Congratulations again on your acquisition.
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Jurvetson Member Posts: 93 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 05-09-2014 08:16 PM
Thank you so much for such a thoughtful reply. I will keep this with the compendium of information on the artifact. (And this is a fine example of what makes collectSPACE so great. I can't say thank you enough). |
gliderpilotuk Member Posts: 3398 From: London, UK Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-29-2014 12:05 PM
Has anyone still not got their stuff, like me? It's amazing how you're just a commodity to these big auction houses. |
Greggy_D Member Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 05-29-2014 01:33 PM
I haven't received my items either (nor a tracking number). |