Posts: 60 From: Boston,Ma. USA Registered: Jan 2010
posted 03-26-2013 11:27 PM
RR Auction's May Space and Aviation sale is shaping up to be our best yet, with a premier offering of the Apollo 11 command module rotation control handle shared by Aldrin and Collins on their historic trip to and from the moon.
Other notable items include: a visually stunning gold plated exact production representative example of the lunar traverse gravimeter used on Apollo 17, a portable life support system dust plug carried to the lunar surface on board the Apollo 12 lunar module Intrepid, and a highly-prized flight plan page, notated in-flight by all three Apollo 11 crew members.
The space treasure continues with a highly important Apollo lunar module flight director attitude indicator, an exceptionally pristine Apollo 17 flown robbins medal with handwritten certification from Cernan, and a scarce Apollo Block 1 Control Panel.
The over 800 lot auction, bursting with both rare flown artifacts and unique signed material, will take place from May 16 to May 23 — the full preview will be available beginning April 26th.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
Offerings include over 850 museum quality artifacts from the Golden Age of aviation and space flight
RR Auctions is pleased to announce its Space and Aviation Autograph and Artifact Auction, scheduled to take place from May 16th to May 23rd, 2013. This massive auction of over 850 premiere lots of space and aviation memorabilia and artifacts includes some of the rarest and most impressive artifacts yet offered by RR in this rapidly growing and highly sought after genre of Americana collecting.
This historic sale includes fascinating selections of space and aviation related autographs, covers, photos, patches, hardware, correspondence, reports, and many types of flown personal mementos and equipment originating from many of the aviators' and astronauts' collections themselves, as well as from the personal holdings of many of the hobby's leading space artifact collectors.
"There seems to be no end to the global appetite of collectors of this rare and historic material — especially from the amazing Apollo lunar landing missions," said Bobby Livingston, Vice President, Sales & Marketing for RR Auctions. "The Great Space Race was truly a global event, and the collection of memorabilia and artifacts tied to that momentous moment in history is highly prized and sought after. RR Auctions is proud to be able to offer some of the finest and most interesting material available, and this assemblage is by far our most impressive since we began offering specialty aviation and space memorabilia auctions several years ago."
Some representative highlights from the 850+ lots of vintage aviation and space artifact include:
A robust offering of flown Robbins medallions from 13 missions, including the key missions of Apollo 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17, as well as from ASTP, Skylab and the Shuttle.
Over 85 lots of historic Apollo 11 material, including a flown Apollo 11 rotational control handle shared by moonwalker Buzz Aldrin and Command Module Pilot Michael Collins during mankind's first lunar landing mission.
And 29 lots of Apollo 17 material from the last lunar landing mission of Apollo, including fantastic lunar orbit items such as a flown 17 foot long lunar orbit map and lunar orbit EVA cue card, and lunar surface EVA cue cards and a lunar surface EVA map plate used aboard the lunar rover.
An absolutely amazing gold plated Lunar Traverse Gravimeter, a production model of the same gravimeter used on the lunar surface during the Apollo 17 mission. One of only three in existence — one left on the lunar surface by Apollo 17, the mission's back-up at the Smithsonian, and one other at Columbia University.
A unique assemblage of space flown and lunar surface religious artifacts include microfilm bibles from both Apollo and the International Space Station, an Earth-orbit papal flag, a lunar surface flown prayer covenant, and an astounding 750+ page full-text daily prayer and devotional book flown and used aboard Skylab and one of the very few space flown books available to private collectors.
And many, many more exciting and historic lots.
As a renowned autograph auction company, RRAuction has not forgotten the essential element of its core business — signatures. Numerous autographs from the best of the best are to be offered, from Wernher von Braun to Neil Armstrong; from astronauts such as Cernan, Lovell, Anders, to cosmonauts such as Gagarin, Leonov, and Tereshkova; to some of America's earliest aviation pioneers like Earhart, Lindbergh, Hughes and Wright.
"Our last auction set record prices for many classes of this material. Aviation and space enthusiasts will not be disappointed," said Livingston. "Obviously, there are too many lots to list in a single press release, so I encourage everyone interested to get online and preview the entire catalog. The auction goes live on May 16th, and global interest is expected to be intense."
For more information on this historic auction, including how to order a catalog, how to bid online, and to see the full 850+ lot description preview, please go to the RRAuction website.
ozspace Member
Posts: 231 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2009
posted 05-03-2013 02:58 AM
That Apollo 11 rotational control handle is marked as "Temporary Removal" and is a flown item from Columbia.
Shouldn't this be the property of the Smithsonian and restored to the CM? I don't want to infer any wrong doing but would there have been a legal ownership transfer to Mr. Bill Whipkey?
albatron Member
Posts: 2732 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
posted 05-03-2013 08:40 AM
I know of one other Apollo CMP who was given his "stick", and seem to recall they were given them.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-03-2013 09:35 AM
By his own admission though, Bill Whipkey was not the intended, but the defacto, self-awarded recipient. From Aurora Auctions' April 2004 catalog, where this piece was first listed:
The consignor has told us, according to his memory and the fact that this unit was stored in his (post-retirement) "Apollo 11" storage box, that this unit was removed from Apollo 11 after the flight and given to him by NASA personnel to be display mounted for presentation purposes. It was never retrieved and he stored it in his office safe awaiting retrieval while he was at NASA. When he retired he was told to clean out his safe and to throw away anything not currently needed. Instead of throwing this piece away, he decided to keep it as a souvenir of his years at NASA. He subsequently told one of the Apollo 11 astronauts about the piece and asked him if he wanted it. When told no, he put it away again until now.
I would imagine had Whipkey contacted the Smithsonian and asked the same as he did of the Apollo 11 astronaut, the answer might have been different.
ozspace Member
Posts: 231 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2009
posted 05-03-2013 10:19 AM
Sounds like this was mounted for display and was 'lost' in bureaucratic bungle. It was not awarded to him or anyone and NASA did not dispose of it.
I think NASA or the Smithsonian should step in and take it back to public ownership. It belongs in a museum or even reinstalled into Columbia, what is there now?
SpaceAholic Member
Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-03-2013 10:31 AM
Replacement RHC grips are currently installed in Columbia.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-03-2013 10:46 AM
The fact that it was provided to Whipkey for preparation indicates that NASA was preparing to divest of the control handle, though clearly not to Whipkey himself.
The Apollo 11 astronauts turned down other items offered to later crews, including the patches from their spacesuits, as they recognized the significance of the hardware from the first lunar landing.
Whoever at NASA thought it was a good idea to separate this handle (and the translational control handle sold by Whipkey separately) from the spacecraft didn't have the same sense of history, unfortunately.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
The joystick controller used to steer the Apollo 11 spacecraft to the moon, the original recording of Neil Armstrong's heartbeat when he took humankind's first "small step" onto the lunar surface, and the complete tool kit carried on NASA's final manned moon mission won't be auctioned later this month, despite international headlines that heralded the rare space artifacts' sale.
...The rare moon memorabilia was pulled from the sale after NASA requested time to look into the artifacts' ownership, according to RR. The agency's general counsel wanted to ensure that the items were no longer federal property.
ozspace Member
Posts: 231 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2009
posted 05-18-2013 07:35 AM
Great news that the ownership of these items are being investigated. I do hope the hand controller gets restored into Columbia!
Larry McGlynn Member
Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
posted 05-18-2013 08:12 AM
What about the buyer of the Apollo 11 rotation hand controller (RHC) joystick?
He purchased that item based on the original consignor's claim of ownership. He purchased the joystick in good faith, spent the money and NASA did not stop the auction.
NASA did know that these auctions were occurring, because the OIG reports are full of investigations into many of these auctions with no replevin action being taken.
I feel for that gentleman. I feel for the original seller too.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 08:39 AM
The buyer (RR Auction's consignor) has the option of considering the money he spent in 2004 as the fee to hold onto to the joystick for the near-decade that he did, while compensating the original consignor for his service safekeeping the joystick for the years that he did.
Granted, he could be under economic pressure that could make that option less desirable, but there's no requirement that the consignor feel that he is due a refund. There is also the (altruistic) award of reuniting a historic artifact with its source.
Recently, without publicity, a very similar situation occurred, where public property was returned by its private owner without the need for compensation, even though the original purchase was made in good faith. It is just a matter of personal choices.
Greggy_D Member
Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
posted 05-18-2013 11:19 AM
A fee? That's reaching a bit don't you think, Robert? How many of us on this board make artifact purchases where the possibility of a "safekeeping fee" is a factor in our purchase decision? Most likely none of us. Whether we fork out $1K, $10K, or $80K for an auctioned artifact, we expect that item is ours free and clear. We shouldn't have look over our shoulder for decades waiting for that possible knock on the door from NASA's OIG.
When I first read your article, my initial thought was, "here we go again". Granted the law has been changed for the astronauts and not for the regular Joes, but the actions, timing, and circumstances around NASA's interest in these artifacts seems to be the same as the Apollo 13 Lovell checklist debacle.
As Larry mentioned, NASA has been well aware of the past sales of these items. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling that a cS'er may have tipped NASA off in this particular RR auction instance.
rjurek349 Member
Posts: 1190 From: Northwest Indiana Registered: Jan 2002
posted 05-18-2013 11:30 AM
The lesson is learned now, and for some at a cost. In light of 4158, for flown material, only deal with those items with direct astronaut flight certification and provenance. That puts a whole new light and value on that class of material. The other stuff? Depending on NASA's mood, open to replevin.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 11:58 AM
Rich, I disagree. There are plenty of artifacts with solid provenance obtained through the General Services Administration (GSA) and other sources (including deaccessed items from the Smithsonian and other museums) that in some ways are more legally ironclad than even the astronauts can offer with the protections now afforded them by the law.
It has been, and always will be, that when dealing with former federal property, provenance is paramount. For many years, collectors paid that key lesson lip service (the Apollo 11 rotation and translational hand controllers are an excellent example; the original auction descriptions made it clear that there was never any formal transfer and those who bid and bought them were knowingly taking their chances by doing so).
I was guilty of the same. I bought pieces where the paperwork was "missing" or which the chain of ownership wasn't full documented. In hindsight, where I couldn't fill in the provenance for those items with additional research, I made a mistake adding the pieces to my collection.
Greg, we are all temporary custodians of the artifacts we hold in our collections. If history is better (or more properly) served by writing a once wrong, I would like to think that most of our community would put the interests of history above their own. I have done that in more than one instance, surrendering and voluntarily donating items — it's not an unthinkable proposition. Financial gain, or even compensation, does not need to drive our collecting habits.
rjurek349 Member
Posts: 1190 From: Northwest Indiana Registered: Jan 2002
posted 05-18-2013 12:07 PM
Robert, we'll have to agree to disagree on that in the sense that, without the astronaut provenance, if NASA made an inquiry, a collector would still have to go through the legal costs and hassles to prove proper ownership etc. 4158 makes that unambiguous for astronaut sourced material. Especially for items that have been sold before.
Greggy_D Member
Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
posted 05-18-2013 12:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: Financial gain, or even compensation, does not need to drive our collecting habits.
Compensation does drive our collecting habits and always will. After all, most artifacts are sold for compensation rather than being given freely away to the next custodian.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 12:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by rjurek349: ...without the astronaut provenance, if NASA made an inquiry, a collector would still have to go through the legal costs and hassles to prove proper ownership etc.
NASA could just as easily question if a piece being resold originated from an astronaut's collection. If all the consignor has is a signed COA, well, it's not like astronauts' autographs haven't been forged before.
In fact, if collectors come to believe that only astronaut certification will do, I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see items being being sold with forged astronaut documentation. (I would be disappointed, but not surprised.)
Getting back to the RR Auction, it looks like at least one of the pieces has the provenance behind it for NASA to clear it for sale (assuming the information since provided proves true). As such, there will be no legal costs and the only expense will be that of the time needed to furnish the requested information.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 12:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by Greggy_D: Compensation does drive our collecting habits and always will.
What most are doing today is not necessarily what most will be doing tomorrow. The community changes as sensibilities evolve. Today, we live in an eBay-driven economy; tomorrow, that may not be the case.
Deciding to drive one's collection by its compensation potential is a choice. Some, even today, choose differently.
SkyMan1958 Member
Posts: 867 From: CA. Registered: Jan 2011
posted 05-18-2013 12:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: ...there's no requirement that the consignor feel that he is due a refund
I believe that under law the current owner can go after the previous owner for selling items he/she did not in fact own, and the buyer can get their money back. This actually was one of the considerations that drove 4158, as buyers could have gone after the astronauts.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 12:55 PM
What the law affords and what you choose to do are choices, which was my point.
Larry McGlynn Member
Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
posted 05-18-2013 01:07 PM
Robert, you did surrender an Apollo 16 pocket purchased at Superior in 2001. Are you getting reimbursed by the consignor? I believe you are very slowly being made whole.
I think the consignor of the RHC will also need to be made whole again. The seller will have to return the money. Especially, if he sold a stolen good.
The consignor will wind up giving the RHC to the National Air and Space Museum just as Mitchell did, but since it is "stolen" property, he cannot even take a tax deduction for the donation. I am not even sure the consignor can claim a tax deduction for the loss of income due to the purchase of a stolen item. If you can do so on IRS form 4684, then it would be pennies on the dollar. While it is easy to say a third party can take the loss, it is unfair for anybody to take a loss of $80,000.
As for forged COAs, that is a risk. Photo documentation will help with that issue. We also have a pretty good knowledge developed over the years of most of what the astronauts brought home. So attempting to forge a COA for something like a lunar boot or a complete RHC arm assembly would raise a question to most of the knowledgeable space collectors which inhabit this board.
You can also forge GSA documents too. Anything can be forged, which is why our paper money is changing.
The interesting thing is that it appears that the Apollo mementos are going to be the zenith of space artifact collecting for a while.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 01:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by Larry McGlynn: I believe you are very slowly being made whole.
Yes I am being reimbursed, but then I could have done as other collectors in the same situation did and never surrendered the piece when it was asked that I voluntarily do so.
And while the money is nice, I would have still turned the artifact over even if there was no hope for compensation.
I'm not suggesting that one way of collecting is better than another, just that no one is forced to seek compensation. We all make choices how we collect.
Larry McGlynn Member
Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
posted 05-18-2013 01:52 PM
Robert, people do have choices. I know many people turned over their items to the government from that situation, but the money was different.
The stakes are higher now. A couple a thousand dollars versus $80,000 changes how people will react.
space1 Member
Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
posted 05-18-2013 04:27 PM
Just to add a bit of illumination to the subject of the control handle grips from Apollo 11, they were removed for disposition by Apollo Spacecraft Hardware Utilization Request (ASHUR) just as with each of the other Apollo missions.
Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-18-2013 05:06 PM
Disposition to or for ??? (Test Prep Sheet 033)
space1 Member
Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
posted 05-18-2013 10:37 PM
Usually the ASHURs related to the grips mention removal by astronaut request. In this case some memos are cited (but no indication of their content). The completion sheet also notes "Ref. DD 1149."
Jurvetson Member
Posts: 93 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
posted 05-27-2013 12:41 PM
I picked up quite a bit of interesting unflown hardware in this auction, and if anyone here has research or further information on these items, I would love to add that to the flickr posts I will eventually make for each:
248 Lunar Module Translation Control Assembly 249 Apollo Rotation Hand Grip Controller 681 Lunar Traverse Gravimeter (and 269 Beryllium Gear Housing) 246 Apollo Block I Control Panel 247 Apollo Sextant (and 288 Sextant Lens)
585 Dave Scott PLSS Cable
Thanks!
Greggy_D Member
Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
posted 05-28-2013 12:19 PM
Another enjoyable RR auction! For the most part, I've really warmed to the 30 minute bidding rule. You are able to focus on the items you are interested in and bid accordingly without worrying about spending early or holding back bids as you might in a general format auction (HA or Regency).
Regarding that 30 minute rule, on one of the items I was bidding on, I think a counter bidder was confused as to how the rule exactly worked. The bidder would "snipe" with 5 seconds to go out of the entire 30 minutes, thus resetting the clock. I would then place my new bid almost immediately and the counter bidder would wait until the next 30 minutes were almost up. We went through this dance for a few hours before I finally gave up and went to bed, seeing that I had a 7am meeting the next morning.
I did pick up:
805 Flown STS-51F PDRS Ops Checklist
I did get into it a little deeper than I wanted, but as Jonathan just mentioned in the Regency thread, you need to maybe go a little higher in order to acquire an item you really want. He is right when he says we are "battling" with commercial interests in these auctions and I did not want to see another complete checklist possibly broken apart and sold page by page (like the STS-3 Lousma checklist). This win will ensure the STS-51F checklist will stay complete.
Item 802, the STS-51B Overmyer Flown Entry Checklist, really bothered me seeing that it was only 8 pages long. Granted this is how many pages were present when it was sold in 2003 via Aurora but it should (in my opinion) contain many more pages. Since the checklist was microfilmed by NASA, it would be easy to verify the original number of pages by requesting a copy.
Jurvetson Member
Posts: 93 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
posted 05-28-2013 01:52 PM
The counter bidder may not be confused, but may have more time than money, and it looks like their strategy worked.
Greggy_D Member
Posts: 977 From: Michigan Registered: Jul 2006
posted 05-28-2013 02:15 PM
Steve, strategy or no strategy it was definitely irritating. Regardless, I would not have gone any higher than the final bid I placed.
spaced out Member
Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
posted 05-28-2013 04:48 PM
The 30 minute rule may work well for those of you in the US but here in mainland Europe it begins at 1am and goes on, potentially, forever.
That said, I do like the RR format overall as it allows you to follow every item through as far as you want to in the bidding and to direct your funds wherever you need to at any time.
In a classic live auction if you have the funds to either buy early lot A or late lot B you have to decide during the live bidding on the early lot how far to go before giving up and gambling on lot B instead. Then you might find lot B goes out of your range. At this point you realise you should have gone higher on lot A but it's too late.
In the classic live format early lots sometimes lose out because people save funds for later purchases and late lots lose out because people run out of funds before the auction gets that far.
These problems are eliminated by the RR format, which is why I prefer it these days to the classic live auctions.
space1 Member
Posts: 853 From: Danville, Ohio Registered: Dec 2002
posted 05-29-2013 06:56 AM
Steve (Jurvetson), I was the consignor of the Apollo Block I Control Panel. Thanks for bidding. And I am founder of the Totally Jelly Club for the Lunar Module Translation Control. To me that has to be one of the most intriguing control mechanisms ever made. Congratulations!
racso184 Member
Posts: 33 From: Katy, Texas Registered: Aug 2009
posted 05-31-2013 11:16 PM
I won the Shuttle Strut Set Assembly (Item 774). Does anyone have a photo of the struts in action or know where I could find one in the net? I looked around but I haven't had any luck. I would like to add it to the Set so I can illustrate there use. Can anybody tell me where on the front wheel doors were these located, on the inside or the outside of the doors? When were these used and how? Any information will be helpful. Thanks.
Ken Havekotte Member
Posts: 2915 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
posted 06-01-2013 10:23 AM
Lot #774, the orbiter strut set, originally came from my collection and let me check on some information that might be able to answer some of your questions. Give me a few days to do so and I'll email you later. I hope you enjoy the strut set assembly components, stored inside the special metal container, which may had been used on the orbiter's nose landing gear door.
racso184 Member
Posts: 33 From: Katy, Texas Registered: Aug 2009
posted 06-01-2013 07:30 PM
Thank you Mr. Havekotte for your fast response. I'll be waiting for your email. I am really glad to have a chance to contact you.