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Topic: Regency-Superior October 2010 auction
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Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 08-24-2010 04:13 PM
   
Regency-Superior has prepared another extensive collection of space memorabilia and early aviation for our upcoming auction, October 1, 2010 at the Hilton Los Angeles Airport Hotel. This sale contains material related to the Apollo 13 mission and many other Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab and shuttle missions, as well as Russian and Chinese space missions. Also represented are early Balloon, Zeppelin and Dirigible flights, and early through modern aviation items including X-15 and the Concorde.The early rocket period includes many pioneer flight covers and memorabilia related to the V-2 facilities in Germany during WWII.  The key item in the rocket section is a Dielingen Tiling flown cover addressed to Lebedow (lot 104).  Two early space exploration covers are among the scarcest related to the early exploration of space the 1960 launch cover of the "Hound Dog" missile and the 1961 Rhesus monkey "Scatback" launch cover (lots 138 & 143).  The Mercury program is highlighted by a Mercury 7 autographed photo (lot 165), and a Mercury 7 signed dollar bill (lot 168).  |
Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 08-24-2010 04:13 PM
Gemini lots of note include ten different $1 bills each signed by both members of a Gemini crew. Flown Apollo items include a page from "Updates" book flown aboard Apollo 8 (lot 219), autographed crew-signed items from Apollo 11, and a signed checklist page from the Apollo 17 Mission (lot 328).   Another interesting item is Buzz Aldrin's 33rd degree Masonic ring (lot 349). The Soviet program has an Orlan-D EVA spacesuit among dozens of items from their space program. There are also 25 lots from the Chinese program, an increasingly popular collecting area. Autographed prints include more than one signed by Neil Armstrong the first man on the Moon.  Models include scarce and unusual NASA and early contractor models, including the "Nuclear Booster" (lot 612), and the "Orbiting Geophysical Observatory" (lot 616).  You can bid LIVE online at RegencySuperior.com. Or, attend the auction in person -- Friday, October 1st at the SESCAL Show being held at the Hilton Los Angeles Airport Hotel. Lots are available for viewing at our Beverly Hills gallery beginning Tuesday, September 28th through Thursday, September 30th. For specific questions regarding this auction, please contact Alan Lipkin. Good luck with your bidding! |
MadSci
Member Posts: 226
From: Maryland, USA
Registered: Oct 2008
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posted 08-25-2010 05:57 PM
Alan - looks very interesting as usual! Any word when the catalogs will be mailed out? |
Penney Kols
Member Posts: 38
From: saint louis mo usa
Registered: Sep 2008
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posted 08-27-2010 09:59 AM
The October catalogs are being mailed today. If you don't receive a copy soon, please call toll-free: 1-800-782-0066 or go online to order a copy. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-27-2010 10:14 AM
Penney there are at least two lots which have "FLOWN" caveats were are either definitely not or highly suspect. The SDI satellite foil I know for certain was not flown - this piece originated off a laser relay satellite which I originally acquired as surplus out of Lockheed; the second item which is a tagged Apollo 12 bracket is likely pre-flight removal (if it were flight the tag would include the ASHUR authorization number from NASA). |
space1
Member Posts: 853
From: Danville, Ohio
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 08-27-2010 12:43 PM
Scott, I think the Apollo 12 bracket is probably OK. It was apparently removed as standard practice after flight, which makes sense for a filter bracket.------------------
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SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-27-2010 02:00 PM
The various Apollo mission reports cite some of the ASHUR's issued and they include individual sub-components like handles and seals - it doesnt seem consistent that NAR would deviate from prescribed practice of securing traceable authorization (from NASA) for post-flight removal of components on the one hand and then intermittently deviate for other bits and pieces. |
space1
Member Posts: 853
From: Danville, Ohio
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 08-28-2010 09:01 AM
I don't believe that hardware removed as part of a standard test procedure, for example, would require a "utilization request." |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-28-2010 10:06 AM
But you will agree there is nothing on the tag in Lot 256 which supports flown status? The only thing the tag reflects is that the component was at one point affiliated with and removed from S/C 108 - parts removal/replacement and tagging also occurred as standard practice during fabrication of the flight vehicle. NASA implemented ASHUR's specifically to authorize and account for disposition of components removed from the FLOWN flight vehicle because the Command Module (and everything within) remained a government asset when returned to Downey for its post flight inspection. The fact that the tag in Lot 256 has NAR and NASA inspection stamps (but no ASHUR) suggests this was not an adhoc parts removal but one executed consistent with established policy associated with pre-flight interaction with the CM (NAR still owned the CM - ASHUR traceability was not applicable) |
space1
Member Posts: 853
From: Danville, Ohio
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 08-28-2010 12:21 PM
I don't want to perpetuate an argument, and I could be wrong, but without elaborating further on this forum I would simply say that I believe the tag does indicate flown status. |
Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 08-30-2010 11:31 AM
Lot 161 will have an adenda added stating: "Probably Not Flown"Lot 265 will have an addenda added stating: "Experts disagree on the flown status of this item." Thanks for the input guys, we try to do our best. |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 09-03-2010 08:14 AM
I received my catalogue in the UK yesterday. If I may be so bold? I would like to say thanks from all UK space enthusiasts and cS members for sending them over the 'pond'! |
Peter Kemp
Member Posts: 91
From: Chelmsford, Essex, United Kingdom
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 09-04-2010 06:53 AM
I have also received my catalogue in the last couple of days and would like to endorse Tykeanaut's remarks in thanking Regency Superior for shipping these (at some expense I would think) to potential bidders in the UK and beyond. |
Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 09-08-2010 12:25 PM
Thank you for the compliments! But it is selfish on our part; if we did not send you the catalogs, we would not have great customers like you in the EU (and in Asia and Australia). |
spaceflori
Member Posts: 1499
From: Germany
Registered: May 2000
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posted 09-09-2010 01:03 AM
Catalog arrived in Germany, too! Great service indeed to have it almost four weeks before the sale. |
Ross
Member Posts: 472
From: Australia
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 09-09-2010 08:10 AM
Catalog arrived in Australia on Tuesday in plenty of time for the auction. Thanks. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 09-14-2010 11:20 AM
How do I get added to your mailing list? |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 09-14-2010 03:21 PM
It's probably not for me to answer really, but I'd try an e-mail to Mr. Lipkin at Regency Superior? |
Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 09-16-2010 04:17 PM
Just e-mail your mailing address (phone number as well helps) and I will make certain you are added to the Regency-Superior mailing list. |
rpatrick
Member Posts: 41
From: Pisa, ITALY
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted 09-17-2010 04:40 PM
Catalog arrived in Italy to me yesterday, too! Good Service. |
Michael
Member Posts: 309
From: Brooklyn New York
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 09-21-2010 12:50 PM
I was looking for a Yuri Gagarin SP when I saw about 15-20 Yuri Gagarin signed items on the Regency Superior auction. I was discussing this with other collectors and it seems that is quite a lot... are all these authentic? If not, which ones are authentic and which is not? Any opinions? |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1746
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-21-2010 02:16 PM
As far as the Yuri Gagagin signatures in the Regency-Superior auction, it might be best to ask them who authenticates their Soviet/Russian autograph material and what qualifications they have.Gagarin signatures have been a popular seller for years in the big auctions, with over 60 in an early Superior Stamp & Coin auction.
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Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 09-28-2010 04:04 PM
Most of our Gagarin signatures come from one consignor who has been consigning world-wide autographs to Superior and afterwards to Regency-Superior since 1994. We have NEVER had any problems with his signatures, only a couple (not Gagarin) have been withdrawn out of literally thousands over the years. We also have submitted Gagarin signatures viewed by myself (for whatever that's worth) and at least two knowledgeable autograph people (both are on this list, but do not want their names used).I am not saying that we are perfect, but we are trying very hard. We would like to be able to refer buyers to a known expertiser, but it is our policy to not use an expert who is in the employ of an auction house because of the obvious conflict of interest. If a buyer wishes to have a known expert certificate on an item we would be happy to place the item on "extension" (this is done for stamp and cover items all the time). We will NOT, however, place it on extension so that an item can be sent to a competitor or an employee of same. We hope this is fair, if you have other ways to do this economically and punctually, please let us know. We believe that the Gagarin autographs in this sale are genuine, we would not ofer them otherwise. Experts that we use for U.S. signatures will not sign off on Soviet signatures. Enjoy the auction this weekend! |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 09-29-2010 01:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Lipkin:
Most of our Gagarin signatures come from one consignor who has been consigning world-wide autographs to Superior and afterwards to Regency-Superior since 1994. We have NEVER had any problems with his signatures, only a couple (not Gagarin) have been withdrawn out of literally thousands over the years.
I don't know...if I ran across one consignor who was submitting thousands of premium cosmonaut signatures over a couple of decades (in other words, a seemingly "bottomless barrel"), I might get a little suspicious. One can have a good source...and one can have a source that's too good to be true. quote:
Originally posted by Alan Lipkin:
We also have submitted Gagarin signatures viewed by myself (for whatever that's worth) and at least two knowledgeable autograph people (both are on this list, but do not want their names used).
Getting opinions from others is definitely wise, but it's of no use to mention it here if you can't reveal their names. If I am to trust an authenticator, I must be familiar with their background, their experience, and their track record. Otherwise, it's meaningless to me and doesn't factor in my decision to purchase or pass on a lot. |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1746
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-29-2010 02:41 PM
I have to wonder if this "one consignor," that has consigned "thousands" of cosmonaut signatures in Superior, and now Regency-Superior, since way back in 1994, might be Maxim Martynov? Martynov, who uses the eBay ID "Maksuta" on eBay, has been very active and financially successful there for many years and, supposedly, also in the big auctions, too. It is said that he is the son of a Russian space program official and has achieved the trust of many because of his family connection. |
Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 09-30-2010 11:24 AM
Good News. We now have an recognized American authority who will be willing to issue COAs on Gagarin autographed items, John Reznikoff President of University Archives in Westport, CT. Extension and expertization will conform to the terms of sale in Regency-Superior's auction catalog (See Terms of Sale #4 in the current catalog.) |
Michael
Member Posts: 309
From: Brooklyn New York
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 09-30-2010 04:29 PM
Where did the consignor get all these great Gagarin items? Did he do a private signing? For one consignor to have all these great items, who is this consignor, who is authenticating these? |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 10-01-2010 02:21 AM
There are too many supposedly Gagarin signed items out there in the marketplace for my liking. |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 10-01-2010 01:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tykeanaut:
There are too many supposedly Gagarin signed items out there in the marketplace for my liking.
And funnily enough, many appear to be coming from the same guy too. |
spaceflori
Member Posts: 1499
From: Germany
Registered: May 2000
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posted 10-02-2010 12:00 AM
Yep, there's a certain trait with many of these that matches those of a certain ebay seller.Also if you look at the multi-signed pieces, look for Nicolaev and Popovitch - they are "too" scribbled at the end - compare them with the KNIGA covers and you'll see the difference, again several traits leading to the same source. I may be a bit hysterical, but lots of the Gagarin (and other cosmonauts) inscriptions of the past years are bit "too" flamboyant despite the Russian addiction for such inscriptions. Take the Komarov and Gagarin signed photo in this sale for example. Again these are just my own observations but several cS'ers here confirmed that already. |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 10-02-2010 09:23 AM
I would not have thought that Gagarin for example would have signed as many items as perhaps Neil Armstrong either? |
spaceflori
Member Posts: 1499
From: Germany
Registered: May 2000
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posted 10-03-2010 03:15 AM
Gagarin did sign quite a lot of autographs between 1961 and his death in 1968 (probably more than any other astronaut or cosmonaut in that time). In fact he was basically forced to sign autographs as the national hero of the Soviet Union as he had little other things to do except making public appearances.There was a good TV special here (hopefully they'll show it again for the 50th anniversary next year) showing private footage of Gagarin spending his last years basically in agony replying to fan mail. Still there are lots of rumors surrounding his crash and whether this was actually suicide. From that point of view and based on the footage showing him at his desk signing tons and tons of autographs (though I can't comment whether this was done for propaganda purposes) there must be quite a lot of real Gagarin autographs - however similar to Neil Armstrong there are also lots of fakes because his autograph is collected beyond our group of space collectors. |
Alan Lipkin
Member Posts: 78
From: Beverly Hills, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 10-03-2010 07:48 PM
It is late Sunday afternoon and we have finally completed this weekend's auction. It went very well. (Both space and non-space items sold better than in recent times). Thank you all for your contributions, your bids, your help when we have had questions and your overall support. Just because we have been doing this for nearly 18 years doesn't make us perfect. We still have much to learn.The twenty or so Gagarin items in this sale are nothing compared to the thousands that he signed in the years after his flight. I have heard first-hand stories of how swollen his hand was after signing for hours autographed (and inscribed) items for higher party officials. |
art540
Member Posts: 432
From: Orange, California USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 10-03-2010 10:54 PM
If anyone here bid on Lot 99 photos please contact me via e-mail to discuss the photos and your interest.Art LeBrun |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1746
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-05-2010 04:30 PM
That's interesting to learn so much about Yuri Gagarin's autographing activities and that he did sign so much stuff, from first-hand stories, that his hand became swollen, and that he spent his last years in agony turning out thousands and thousands of autographs for his fans!Who knows for sure what Gagarin did concerning autographs, as there is so much information, misinformation and bunk out there about Gagarin's signing habits. Many stories abound about the cosmonauts' signing habits, and just one is that the ill-fated Soyuz 11 crew signed a bunch of stuff just prior to their doomed flight for a Soviet General, etc. Maybe true - maybe not? Surely, genuine Gagarin autographs are out there, as well as fakes, and the trick is separating them. |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 10-05-2010 07:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Lipkin:
The twenty or so Gagarin items in this sale are nothing compared to the thousands that he signed in the years after his flight.
Gagarin might have indeed signed thousands and thousands of signatures after his flight, but that does nothing to lessen the need to authenticate each signature on a case-by-case basis. After all, Neil Armstrong may have signed well over 100,000 signatures for collectors over the years, yet we can't let our guard down when it comes to authenticating his signature. In other words, the volume of authentic signatures in the marketplace has very little bearing in determining the authenticity of any specific item. |
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