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Topic: Von Braun engeneers
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Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 10-27-2005 09:01 AM
HelooI am looking for a photo of the following Von Braun engeneers : Helmut Kräuse Heinz Hilten Hans Kennel Adolf K Thiel Thanks Dirk |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 10-27-2005 02:20 PM
Dirk,Helmut "Kräuse" is Helmut Krause, and I think he is deceased. Also Adolf K Thiel is deceased. ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 10-27-2005 04:41 PM
indeed Jürgen, but I still am looking for their photos...Dirk |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-01-2005 06:20 AM
Not sure if official individual portraits were made of those engineers ? |
spaceuk Member Posts: 2113 From: Staffs, UK Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-01-2005 10:41 AM
Will they not appear on the 'famous' Fort Worth photo with von Braun and the "V-2" in the frame? Close up single person photos may be harder come by? |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-01-2005 11:09 AM
Krause, Kennel were not part of the original von Braun group. They are the 3rd generation of German rocket pioneers to come to Huntsville. Kennel for instance came to the US in 1956. ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 11-01-2005 02:37 PM
It may be a unofficial photo, as long as they are individual. Only a few can be found. So I found Helmut Gröttrupp in the book his wife published about their time in Russia, and Dieter Huzel on the backside of his book "Peenemunde to Canaveral". At this moment I am reading "The mare's nest" of David Irving, a classic about this subject, but it has no suitable photos. (copying is allowed in several occasions...)Dirk |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-04-2005 09:00 AM
Dirk,David Irving is of course an imfamous Nazi author who denies that Auschwitz ever took place ... not exactly a good source, I think. I think Michael Neufeld from the Smithsonian wrote an excellent book about the Peenemündians - The Rocket and the Reich. It is very well researched, historically sound, and a good read too. I think a pocket book edition is also available. Check it out ... ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 11-04-2005 06:14 PM
I close any discussion, as I only look for individual photos.Dirk |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-05-2005 08:59 AM
Dirk,The administrator of this bulletin board closes a discussion. You can find more information about the Irving case and his trial in London here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/irving/0,2759,181044,00.html In respect to imagery, the American edition of Ernst Stuhlinger's memoirs has a 2nd volume that contains nothing BUT images. You might find the one or the other treasure there. ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-18-2005 03:41 PM
Dirk,British revisionist David Irving (67) has just been arrested in Austria. The Minister of the Interior confirmed that Irving had been arrested in Styria on 11 November based on an arrest warrant by the Vienna District Court. The denial of the Nazi crimes is a criminal offence in Austria. The arrest warrant had been in force since 1989. ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
FFrench Member Posts: 3161 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-18-2005 03:53 PM
Glad to hear Irving has been arrested. Jürgen makes a very good point: we all need to be very careful that our sources are good ones. Any "historian" who denies the Holocaust ever took place should be treated extremely suspiciously as a source on Nazi-era history (and any other history, for that matter). A court of appeal in the UK upheld a libel trial ruling "branding him a racist Holocaust denier who deliberately distorted historical facts. "FF |
spaceuk Member Posts: 2113 From: Staffs, UK Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-18-2005 04:37 PM
Just seeing if anyone was 'awake' !Fort Worth should read Fort Bliss The image of von Braun and Peenemunde engineers is here:- http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/Academy/History/vonBraun/FortBliss-large.gif Phill spaceuk
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spaceuk Member Posts: 2113 From: Staffs, UK Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-18-2005 04:52 PM
I've autographed envelopes from all but Hilten. I don't think there are photos with these but I'll check them tomorrow.Phill UK
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karlitko Member Posts: 87 From: Czech Republic Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 11-18-2005 07:09 PM
Nov. 17, 2005 Historian arrested on Holocaust denial charges By ASSOCIATED PRESS quote: Right-wing British historian David Irving, who once famously said that Adolf Hitler knew nothing about systematic slaughter of six million Jews, has been arrested in Austria on warrant accusing him of denying Holocaust.Irving, 67, was detained November 11 in southern province of Styria on warrant issued in 1989 under Austrian laws that make Holocaust denial crime, police Maj. Rudolf Gollia, spokesman for Interior Ministry, said Thursday.
Read the full article here.[This message has been edited by collectSPACE Admin (edited November 18, 2005).] |
Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 11-19-2005 10:02 AM
Irving wrote "The Mare's Nest" about 40 years ago. Long before he became a "denier". Those who read that book, can only confirm it is till today one of the best and most detailed works about the V1, V2 and V3 weapons, it tells the fight for the power in Germany, and the way how England became aware of the danger, and how they fought against it and could destroy it. The book is historically correct and detailed. He also wrote how many prisoners died in terrible circomstances building the V weapons. So just read the book. And I don't care what Irving is today. I am just interested in the history of that time. Other very interesting books are "From Peenemunde to Canaveral" (Dieter Huzel) and "The Shadow of Sputnik" (Irmgard Gröttrup). But thanks anyway for the information about Irving (I won't let my sleep for it But I still don't find individual portraits of a lot of them....Dirk
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Bob M Member Posts: 1746 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-19-2005 11:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by spaceuk:I've autographed envelopes from all but Hilten. I don't think there are photos with these but I'll check them tomorrow. Phill UK
Hello Phill, I noticed that you collect autographs of the von Braun Team. Please contact me about this. Thanks. Bob Mc. |
spaceuk Member Posts: 2113 From: Staffs, UK Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-26-2005 09:38 AM
DirkI'm just reading a new book about pre-WWII rocket development in Europe based on papers and diary's by Riedel. These papers were 'locked away' in a museum after Riedel wrote them while he worked at UK Westcott RPE but couldn't get them published. Although a large number of pages are to do with Riedel's involvement with Max Valier ('rocket car')there are quite a number of pages devoted to the A3,A4,A5 vehicles including some photos of original drawings and some computer reworked drawings based on original drawings. Some of these I have not seen before like test stand drawings, rudder schematic,gyro system and so on. A good book for anyone interested in German "A-rockets" is a book in German called "Raketenforschung in Deutschland" by Dr-ing Gerhard Reising. Fulll of interesting photos and details. Phill spaceuk
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spaceuk Member Posts: 2113 From: Staffs, UK Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-26-2005 09:41 AM
DirkI looked for the photos with autographs I have but there weren't any. Sorry ! I may have a image on CD somewhere of Thiel when it was published alongside his obituary If I locate it I'll email it. Have you asked Huntsville Times Photo Dept if they may have any photos of these people? Phill spaceuk
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eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-26-2005 10:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by spaceuk: A good book for anyone interested in German "A-rockets" is a book in German called "Raketenforschung in Deutschland" by Dr-ing Gerhard Reising. Fulll of interesting photos and details. Phill spaceuk
Gerhard H. R. Reisig - Raketenforschung in Deutschland: wie die Menschen das All eroberten, Edition Lenser, Münster 1997, 3-89019-500-8 ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
Dirk Member Posts: 933 From: Belgium Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 11-27-2005 04:03 PM
I was visiting Hendon RAF museum yesterday. Will post detail photos of the A4 soon.Dirk |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 268 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 11-29-2005 09:53 PM
Folks-I'm enjoying reading your messages regarding the Von Braun team. I've been very interested in starting to acquire some of the team's signatures as well, but don't have a good sense of where to start. I haven't seen any references regarding where these folks might be contacted. Any suggestions you could provide would be great. Thanks, Rob |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-30-2005 01:24 PM
Rob,Only less than a dozen of those old folks are still alive. You find there addresses in my address list (also see Resources on this site). ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
RocketmanRob Member Posts: 268 From: New York City USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 12-01-2005 08:48 PM
Jurgen-Thanks for the info. Is your address list posted on the website contained at the bottom of your post? Thanks, Rob |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 12-02-2005 12:34 PM
Rob,The Yahoo group primarily serves to post address changes and to share information about the addresses used. The list itself is at $19.50 for surface delivery, $30 for airmail shipping. You'll get an order form upon joining my group (which of course is free of charge) .. ;-) ------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |
eurospace Member Posts: 2610 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 02-20-2006 07:36 PM
Self-taught "historian" and Holocaust denier David Irving was just sentenced to three years prison in Austria for his denying the destruction of the Jews.------------------ Jürgen P Esders Berlin, Germany http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Astroaddies |