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Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-06-2017 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA's Pysche mission: viewing, questions and comments
This thread is intended for comments and questions regarding the Psyche mission and the updates published under the topic: NASA's Psyche mission to giant metal asteroid.

Psyche will explore a giant metal asteroid known as 16 Psyche, about three times farther away from the sun than is the Earth. The mission is targeted to launch in October 2023, arriving at the asteroid in 2030, following an Earth gravity assist spacecraft maneuver in 2024 and a Mars flyby in 2025.

The mission will improve our understanding of how planets and other bodies separated into their layers early in their histories.

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posted 01-06-2017 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear. I would have found this mission a very interesting prospect. Then I realised that by the time it reaches its destination, I will — if I'm spared! — be 76. Forgive me for not counting the days.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-24-2017 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good news! Psyche will now be arriving at its destination four years earlier:
Psyche, NASA's Discovery Mission to a unique metal asteroid, has been moved up one year with launch in the summer of 2022, and with a planned arrival at the main belt asteroid in 2026 — four years earlier than the original timeline.

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posted 05-25-2017 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phew!

Blackarrow
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posted 02-29-2020 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will be fascinating to compare craters on a metal asteroid with craters on a more conventional rocky asteroid. I can't help wondering if smaller meteors would just "bounce off" or just vaporize, leaving only a slight blemish.

On the other hand, Psyche is not 100% metal, so if there is rocky material on the surface that might crater just like a wholly rocky world.

Of course that is the purpose of such a mission: to turn speculation into observed fact. NASA has run out of planets for "first visits" but there are still a lot of fascinating targets out there.

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Could be a "game changing mission" as rare earth metals become more valuable and more strategic assets. SpaceX will be launching mission.

The estimated value of the rare earth metal $100 quadrillion.

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I have a brother who is in the rare earth metals field. He has informed me that the USA actually has the vast majority of the rare earth metals that it needs in industrial quantities. The reason we are beholden to China for REM is that they don't care what sort of damage they do to their environment to extract and refine the REM, and their labor costs are cheap, so that the REM produced in China undercut the REM produced in the USA.

If it becomes politically unacceptable to subsist on Chinese REM we can subsidize REM in the USA at far less cost than creating a spacefaring REM mining sector.

On the flip side, as technology progresses, and space mining gets closer to reality, if would not surprise me if the USA subsidized US space mining companies, a la the commercial space programs for supply delivery and crew delivery to the ISS, to kick start that sector.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-24-2022 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA has announced that Psyche will not make its planned 2022 launch attempt due to needing more time to ensure that the spacecraft's software will function properly in flight.
The mission's 2022 launch period, which ran from Aug. 1 through Oct. 11, would have allowed the spacecraft to arrive at the asteroid Psyche in 2026. There are possible launch periods in both 2023 and 2024, but the relative orbital positions of Psyche and Earth mean the spacecraft would not arrive at the asteroid until 2029 and 2030, respectively. The exact dates of these potential launch periods are yet to be determined.

Robert Pearlman
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NASA announced today that the Psyche mission will go forward, with a targeted launch period opening on October 2023.

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I have passes to view the October 5th launch of Psyche from the Saturn V Center at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex. Will any other cS members be there?

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The launch has been delayed by a week. From JPL director Laurie Leshin (via X):
Our first launch attempt has moved out by one week to Thursday, October 12. This is giving our team time to adjust and verify a change in parameter of Psyche's cold gas thrusters, which are used to orient the spacecraft as soon as right after launch.

It's so important that we get this right. These thrusters aren't the main propulsion system, but they matter, especially right after launch, and we want to make sure we are using them in a very robust way when they are needed. We are confident the team is on track to mitigate this concern, and we look forward to our launch in just two weeks!

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Will the launch be at the same time of day? The Kennedy Space Center website has yet to update the launch date and information.

Is there any chance that the government shutdown might have an effect on the launch date?

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Trying to steer clear of politics here.

Assuming that a compromise is not reached by the deadline, a partial government shutdown would affect NASA and other government agencies. I cannot speak directly to how the launch plans will be handled, but here is an article from 2018 that describes functions during the third partial shutdown of 2018.

I say "partial shutdown" because the compromise discussions going on in Congress are, as always, over how much deficit spending will be authorized for discretionary government programs (those that are not required by law to be funded). There is a steady stream of tax revenue flowing into the U.S. Treasury which will fund non-discretionary programs (those required by law like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, some income security programs, federal student loan programs, and some others). Since our government funds much of its discretionary spending (things like the US military, NASA, Department of Education, national parks, etc) by borrowing money, the arguments are over how much money to borrow and what those borrowed funds may be spent on.

Here is a good chart (CBO data) that lays this all out for the 2022 fiscal year. The short answer is, in 2022 the U.S. took in $4.9T and spent $6.3T. Non-discretionary spending (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc plus interest on the national debt) for 2022 was $4.575T, so in order for the U.S. government to avoid borrowing money, it would have had to spend a total of $325B on all discretionary spending (including NASA, defense, transportation, veterans benefits, health, education, international affairs, and a host of other programs). [Note: Defense alone is in the $850-900B range.] It is highly likely that, when the reports are released for 2023, the increase in interest on the debt will mean that there is no revenue remaining to pay for any discretionary spending program so all of that spending will be borrowed money.

As far as the effect on Psyche, the launch window is open with instantaneous launch opportunities from Oct. 12-25, so there is potentially time (assuming a compromise is not reached before the deadline) to still meet the launch window.

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The shutdown, should it occur, will not affect the launch of Psyche or the operation of any NASA mission currently in space, as all are deemed essential activities. NASA has already confirmed this with Congress and the White House.

What might not be able to be supported is press and public access to view the launch on federal property, as well as NASA TV coverage of the launch (at least as a hosted broadcast).

A launch on Oct. 12 would be at 10:16 a.m. EDT (1416 GMT). You can find a full list of launch times for the remainder of the window on NASA's website.

Robert Pearlman
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Congress has voted for a continuing resolution, keeping funding levels where they are for the next 45 days, so there will be no effects on the Psyche launch.

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The current forecast for Oct 12th predicts only a 20% chance of favorable weather conditions at the time of launch. I'm wondering if I should bother flying out from California. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

Update: I canceled my flight to Florida and it looks like I made the right call.

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NASA and SpaceX are standing down from the Oct. 12 launch of the Psyche mission due to unfavorable weather conditions.

NASA and SpaceX are now targeting launch at 10:19 a.m. EDT on Friday, Oct. 13.

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All systems are looking good and weather is 85% favorable for SpaceX's Falcon Heavy launch of NASA's Psyche mission.
Watch the Psyche spacecraft launch from NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida on a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket. NASA and SpaceX are targeting launch at 10:19 a.m. EDT (1419 UTC) Friday, Oct. 13.

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A successful launch for Psyche! Seen here, the spacecraft separating from the Falcon Heavy second stage:

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posted 10-13-2023 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My last launch as LSIM (Launch Site Integration Manager) and NSC (NASA Spacecraft Coordinator).

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Congratulations Jim, perhaps one day you can share details of your time working in the space launch community.

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Congratulations, Jim! You've had quite the career both militarily and civilian. All the best in your future endeavors!

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