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ejectr
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posted 11-22-2008 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forty five years ago today.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-22-2008 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I visited The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza for the first time last month. The location itself evokes such a strong sense of history that the museum (which is essentially a series of descriptive wall plaques and the occasional film or video, guided by an audio tour) is almost unnecessary.

It is worth the price of admission though, for the chance to stand on the sixth floor and look down through the same bank of windows that Oswald did that day. It brings the history of the event alive, even if you, like myself, weren't alive that day.

The museum includes two references to JFK's role in shaping the nation's space program. Interestingly, they do not emphasize Apollo but rather focus on the events that took place while he was in office, such as Glenn's orbital flight.

As minor as the distinction might be, it was a fresh perspective on JFK's space legacy. Too often it seems, there is a temptation to link JFK with the Apollo program, which he would never live to see, rather than focus on the events that he actually witnessed. I doubt the museum purposely took on that disparity when creating their display, but it helped emphasize JFK's role as president, rather than his ability to inspire after his untimely passing.

KSCartist
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posted 11-22-2008 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whether you believe in the lone gunman or a conspiracy the bottom line is that 45 years ago today we lost a great man who endeavoured to bring out the best this nation had to offer.

He wasn't perfect, he was a man. He wasn't King Arthur and his Presidency wasn't Camelot but he had the ability to make us want to be better and work to see our nation lead the world.

Rest in peace Mr. President and may the man who steps into your office next January pick up you torch and inspire a nation again. This is still America where anything CAN happen if we just work together.

Tim

FFrench
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posted 11-22-2008 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I visited The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza for the first time last month.
Here is a magnet I picked up in the gift shop on a visit there within the last year.

mjanovec
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posted 11-22-2008 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadly, when I visited Dealey Plaza in 2002, it was crawling with conspiracy nuts who were trying to make a buck and sell you their wares. It seemed like you couldn't walk 100 feet without running into someone selling their book, magazine, video, or "tour guide" that was pro-conspiracy. And even if you choose not to buy their stuff, they were actively working to spread their falsehoods to a gullible public. It ruined the ability to peacefully take in the history and think about the events of 1963.

Imagine visiting the Saturn V center at KSC and having moon landing conspiracy people bug you every minute, trying to sell you something...or just simply listening to them fool a naive public around you into believing their version of the truth. Or worse, imagine standing at Pad 34 and listening to people tell you about their imagined conspiracy to kill the Apollo 1 astronauts...especially when all you want to do is to pay your respects to the fallen astronauts.

I believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe in respecting the rights of those who wish to observe a historic landmark in peace. Hopefully Dallas has done something to keep these people from soiling this historic landmark...or at least restrict their ability to solicit near the point where the assassination occurred.

The only conspiracy I saw in Dealey Plaza was a conspiracy to make money.

Mark

P.S. - I highly recommend "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi if you need any convincing about who really shot JFK.

spaceman1953
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posted 11-22-2008 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman1953   Click Here to Email spaceman1953     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly don't remember how I got to Dealey Plaza in 1973 or 1974... Bob Boyd might have taken me, or maybe it was Ray Cartier...

All I remember is that when I went to stand behind the fence on the grassey knoll, I was more than convinced that this was where the shooter stood.

And although the fence was really hacked up, I never thought about taking a piece for myself... sure wish I had!

I went up to the Sixth Floor, but did not pay the admission to get in... yeah, it must have been Bob Boyd that took me there. But I am pretty sure I walked around alone... maybe he had been there so many times, he waited in a car for me.

I snapped a few Polaroid pics that day... scanned them, but don't know how to post pics here... I should put them up at Flickr and add a link here.

So I was in the fifth grade in 1963... school got out a little early that day... got home and my mom had been crying like I had never seen before... she was taking pictures of my baby sister in a red dress when the news came on. I remember the red dress... don't know if my mom still has that or not... the day is still a very tough point to discuss with her, but I should ask her soon, if I want to know.

I was talking to some friends of John, Jr. a few weeks ago and when I relayed the conversation to my mom, you could just hear the near-tearing up on the phone... so it is still a tough conversation to have with her about the Kennedy's in any way whatsoever.

Gene

Colin Anderton
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posted 11-23-2008 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Colin Anderton   Click Here to Email Colin Anderton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was almost nine when the event occurred.

As I was recording a programme in 1993 to mark the event, suddenly there on the screen was the old film of a man called Charles Brehm, who gave an eye-witness account to reporters within minutes of the shooting.

All through the years I had remembered this guy getting all upset while he was talking on camera, and I recall being quite shocked as a nine-year-old; I think it was this that really brought home to me the magnitude of what had happened.

I stayed glued to the TV until closedown that night.

Don't want to start an argument going here, but anyone who studies the ACTUAL facts of the case - first of all checking that they are considering facts, not theories that have taken on a new life as fact - will come to the conclusion that Oswald did it, just as he was the killer of policeman J. D. Tippett. There was no second gunman. There was no shot from the grassy knoll.

Oswald, a guy with his own problems, saw a map of the President's motorcade route in the newspaper a few days earlier, and realised he could put himself into the history books. Simple as that!

Colin.

astro-nut
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posted 11-23-2008 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro-nut   Click Here to Email astro-nut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you President Kennedy for being a strong supporter of our NASA Space Program.

MoonCrater1
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posted 11-23-2008 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonCrater1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can all post our recollections of how JFK impressed us during his life and what we think of his assassination. I recall seeing his news conferences on TV and taking notice of how witty he was. I have read many books on the assassination, watched the movie JFK several times and watched the new series of documentaries on the History Channel and NGC. This is probably not the place to discuss my opinions on this matter. I was impressed by JFK as a person and as a leader and it was a great loss to this country when he died early in his life.

ea757grrl
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posted 11-23-2008 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ea757grrl   Click Here to Email ea757grrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't alive when President Kennedy was assassinated, but I've had pretty much a lifelong interest in the moment, I think because so much of the record of the weekend was recorded and lives on through footage, film and photographs. So much of it survives, from the morning of through the Tuesday after, that listening to the radio recordings and watching the preserved coverage on tape and DVD is like looking at a slice of America that was frozen in amber or like looking at a core sample of America at that moment.

Oddly enough, that's what has fascinated me most about it. I have had some interest in the assassination itself, but I don't take it too far. Some of the key evidence is not pleasant to look at (looking at the post-mortem photos is like listening to the Apollo 1 tape: though you may be glad to satisfy the curiosity, once is enough for a lifetime, and it takes you a while to get over). There's also the conspiracy theories, and...well, though some of them may have some merit, I often find their proponents get a little too evangelical about them for my tastes.

I haven't yet made the pilgrimage to Dallas, but I hope to before long. Everyone I've spoken with who has been to the Sixth Floor Museum speaks highly of it.

jodie

AstronautBrian
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posted 11-25-2008 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstronautBrian   Click Here to Email AstronautBrian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like ea757grrl, I was not alive in 1963, but have been interested in the assassination all of my life.

My mom remembers that she was in the fifth grade, and the principal of the school calling her teacher out of the classroom. They talked in the hall for a minute and then the her teacher came back into the room and told them what happened. My mom says she remembers the general feeling of sadness in everyone, but that, at the time, she did not grasp exactly what was going on.

Growing up, one of the things that made me interested in the assassination was a bit of local history; i.e. Oswald's activities in New Orleans. Later I found out that the ties were closer to home when I discovered that Oswald lived for a time in my neighboring town. It even hit closer still to home when one of my uncles told me he actually knew Oswald as a child, and claims that he and Oswald got into a couple of schoolyard brawls.

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"There's a meaning there, but the meaning there doesn't really mean a thing." - Russell Morris

Rob Joyner
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posted 11-26-2008 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Joyner   Click Here to Email Rob Joyner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've often wondered how different the space program may be today if JFK had not gone to Dallas that November morning. But then I also wonder what history would be like if the Apollo 1 fire had happened en route to the Moon instead of on the pad.

It is unfortunate that so very important things can be changed so drastically within a mere few seconds. It is very important to understand the causes and what led up to like events so we can understand and correct them so they won't happen again.

Because the Apollo 1 fire occurred on the pad instead of in space we were able to determine what happened and go on to the Moon. JFK's assassination is one of those chapters of history that will never be solved completely as there were so many different people involved who gave conflicting accounts of what happened that day.

I have always kept an open mind about the assassination and have read many statements and accounts of witnesses on the internet and watched many related TV shows too. To this day I still cannot determine what really happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963. No one person can. For those who believe the Warren Commission's conclusion is the absolute answer I would suggest they dig a lot deeper. One avenue would be the multi-episode documentary 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy'. It includes interviews of the people who were actually there that fateful weekend, including compelling commentary by the doctors who treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital.

spaceman1953
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posted 11-26-2008 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman1953   Click Here to Email spaceman1953     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I really wasn't trying to "convince" anyone that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll... but when you stand behind that fence, you got a clear view of everything! Absolutely everything! People, many, many people, a lot smarter than me have spent years of their lives studying this and will continue to do so till they are all dead.

Interesting to me, was that "facts" were locked up for years and years and years! Just like UFO stuff. Why? National security? Sensitivity to relatives?

Another part of my "personal" story: After years of owning "used" or hand-me-down televisions, my family had one of the first color televisions in the neighborhood, that we got earlier in 1963. So this was all "in color" for me... my and my brother were playing Monopoly in front of the TV on the living room floor the Sunday Oswald got shot. My mom yelled out to my dad who was in or just getting out of the bathtub... just the start or maybe mid-point of a decade that was quite incredible, to say the least!

Gene

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posted 01-04-2009 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen where his life began and ended: the house in which he was born (near Coolidge Corner in Brookline MA) and Dealy Plaza.

I also got to shake his hand. He was at a campaign rally in Syracuse.

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