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Leon Ford
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posted 04-13-2003 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leon Ford   Click Here to Email Leon Ford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could someone who attended the Swann Auction let us know how the price for Lot 174 - The Apollo 11 Crew Signed Photograph, got up to $34,000. Did two people get into a bidding war?

I see that Lot 173 was an Apollo 11 Navigational Chart that sold for $22,000. You think maybe somebody got their lots mixed up?

Thanks,

Leon

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-13-2003 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was confusion, but it wasn't the lot numbers. If memory serves correctly, at least three bidders escalated the Apollo 11 photo from an opening bid of $2000 to the unheard of $34,000. A picture of the lot was displayed at the front of the room -- and at least two of the bidders were present -- so chalking this up to mismatched lots would be difficult.

I wish I could offer a reason why we saw what we did. The only difference between this crew signed photo and others sold for $3,000 to $6,000 in the past was the additional inscription on the reverse identifying Aldrin as the previous owner. Surely that's not worth $28000?

mensax
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posted 04-14-2003 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mensax   Click Here to Email mensax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would imagine that someone has a big "What have I done?" ahead of them...

Noah

spaceflori
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posted 04-15-2003 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't this the Apollo 11 crewphoto already sold at Christies some time ago at $34000 ??

Whom was it inscribed to ?
(still waiting for the catalog and they don't have it online anymore...)

Florian

Matt T
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posted 04-15-2003 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Florian,
It's uninscribed, simply signed by the three crew members. According to the listing the reverse of the photo reads 'From my personal collection, Buzz Aldrin'.

By the way, the catalogue is still on-line. Go to this page -
http://swanngalleries.rfcsystems.com/asp/archivesearch.asp

- and select the catalogue from the top option box.

Cheers,
Matt

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posted 04-15-2003 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CPIA   Click Here to Email CPIA     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leon,

I was standing at the back of the room during the bidding on the Apollo 11 crew signed photo. The photo was signed by all three crewmen and Buzz had inscribed on the back,"from my personal collection" and signed by Buzz.

There were three people bidding and one on the phone in the front of the room. One of the bidders was the gentleman who had just bought the datacard notebook. I was watching him and he continued to bid on the photo until it hit $19,000USD.

Then the bidding switched to the people in the room and the phone bidder.

I was standing with a dealer and at the end of the bidding, he said finally there was a lot that sold for a good price. I just said it was nuts and he said do you have one. I responded that for $34,000 I had two.

And to Florian, the 1999 Christie's auction brought $10,000 for an Apollo 11 crew signed crew portrait.

There were several interesting things about the auction that seem to be unique about the New York auctions. The prices on Apollo 11 crew signed photos, The NASA lunar map signed by five moonwalkers that sells for $14,000 every time it comes up. The fact that someone will pay $10,000 for an Apollo 12 flown cloth patch, yet an Apollo 11 flown lunar surface checklist (so noted on the card by Buzz) sells for $6,000.

The one thing that wasn't much of there was confusion. One lot got mixed up, but the audience corrected the auctioneer. And one bidder got confused on a bid, but those were it. The auctioneer was quite clear and the room was very quiet. The lot was read twice with a photo on a large screen in the front of the room.

I was talking to Swann yesterday and this was one of three auctions, they had run in five days. Invoices for the lots will be out later this week.

Larry McGlynn

mensax
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posted 04-15-2003 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mensax   Click Here to Email mensax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...he said do you have one? I responded that for $34,000 I had two.

LOL!


Noah

Joe Davies
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posted 04-16-2003 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Davies   Click Here to Email Joe Davies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this is more a case of "auction fever". Every auction has a few lots that go crazy high, and those are the ones that stick in our minds, no-one remembers the lots that under-sold (unless you were the happy bidder!). Though 34 grand for a crew signed piccie is completely stupid, even if someone has more money than they know what to do with. There are few things in the world of autographs that make in excess of $30,000 and now we can add Apollo 11, ridiculous.

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