Posts: 438 From: NSW, Australia Registered: May 2005
posted 08-10-2009 09:05 AM
It's obviously not what the soundtrack claims but I am wondering what it actually was. A training scenario but is that Scott Carpenter? If so, are those his kids?
Any help would be appreciated!
ilbasso Member
Posts: 1522 From: Greensboro, NC USA Registered: Feb 2006
posted 08-10-2009 09:28 AM
Couldn't see too clearly, but that looked like John Young to me. He had a boy and a girl, too, so those might have been his kids.
AstroAutos Member
Posts: 803 From: Co. Monaghan, Republic of Ireland Registered: Mar 2009
posted 08-10-2009 09:33 AM
Yeah, I don't see how it could be Scott Carpenter since he had moved onto different things by the Apollo missions - could well be John Young but to be honest I don't have a clue as I can't see him too clearly.
I looked up this video on YouTube and it's sad to see the comments from the moon hoax club talking about the flag waving and the studio personnel - do they not realise that this is just a practice/mock EVA? Hilarious...
randy Member
Posts: 2231 From: West Jordan, Utah USA Registered: Dec 1999
posted 08-10-2009 09:51 AM
It's John Young.
bruce Member
Posts: 917 From: Fort Mill, SC, USA Registered: Aug 2000
posted 08-10-2009 11:02 AM
Wow, the narrator sure is a true master of the facts, huh? "This is the actual Lunar Module that went to the moon on the second trip." He left one thing out though. "It was brought back by the space shuttle Columbia on it's maiden voyage to the moon." I guess this should be referred to as a "mocked landing"? At least the guy has great taste in music.
FFrench Member
Posts: 3165 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
posted 08-10-2009 12:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by AstroAutos: Yeah, I don't see how it could be Scott Carpenter since he had moved onto different things by the Apollo missions
While I think this LM design shown was far later in the program, it should be noted that Carpenter did work on early LM crew cabin layout before leaving NASA.
posted 08-10-2009 01:07 PM
The narration is so bad that it's funny. Sounds like one of those guys who calls the late night sports radio programs and claims he knew Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays.
Lou Chinal Member
Posts: 1332 From: Staten Island, NY Registered: Jun 2007
posted 08-10-2009 02:02 PM
Yeh! It looks like John Young to me also. The second trip is Apollo 12. I'm assuming, that's what they mean. True Scott Carpenter did some early LM work, but I think this is a later one. I don't know anything about the kids.
Obviousman Member
Posts: 438 From: NSW, Australia Registered: May 2005
posted 08-11-2009 02:14 AM
Would anyone have any contact with John Young's children, ask if they remember this, and post a reply here?
Proponent Member
Posts: 59 From: London Registered: Oct 2008
posted 08-11-2009 10:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by Obviousman: It's obviously not what the soundtrack claims
Why not? The narrator says that it was to be shown in case TV could not be transmitted from the moon. That seems perfectly plausible.
quote:but I am wondering what it actually was.
What the narrator is saying is that its basically a PR film. Since he refers to the LM as being the second one to go to the moon, this must be a simulation of Apollo 12. In that case, since Apollo 12 burned out its TV camera early in the first EVA, this footage may well have been aired on national TV.
Proponent Member
Posts: 59 From: London Registered: Oct 2008
posted 08-11-2009 10:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by bruce: Wow, the narrator sure is a true master of the facts, huh?
I think you're being a little hard on the guy. It's just a home movie -- he even says that he went home to get his camera. I'm sure he's wrong about the LM being the real thing, but I think what he means is that this footage was taken before the LM left Grumman for the Cape, not that the mission was faked or that the LM was returned to earth after flight.
quote:Originally posted by Fra Mauro: The narration is so bad that it's funny. Sounds like one of those guys who calls the late night sports radio programs and claims he knew Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays.
Again, it's just a home movie.
Obviousman Member
Posts: 438 From: NSW, Australia Registered: May 2005
posted 08-12-2009 01:11 AM
It's very mixed up.
00:14 - 00:17 "This lunar module was the second one to go to the Moon"
Huh? Note past tense.
00:59 - 01:06 "I was sent out to work on a teletype machine which I placed in the... lunar module"
Teletype? In the LM?
01:42 - 01:53 "Unfortunately this shot had to be retaken, as someone had left the air conditioning on and the flag was blowing in the breeze, and there is no breeze on the Moon"
Sounds suspiciously like a claim some hoax believers make. If this were just a demonstration in case of TV failure, they probably wouldn't have cared about the flag waving.
02:07 - 02:11 "This is the actual lunar module that went to the Moon on the second trip"
Note past tense. Now this said, he did also say "...when they go there..."
If you listen to the muted portions of the audio, it was "filmed by CBS" (00:22)
Also, you can hear the the children's names in the movie are Alan and Patty.
Anyone know about CBS filming a simulation, with Grumman / NASA approval, in case the TV wasn't working?
Obviousman Member
Posts: 438 From: NSW, Australia Registered: May 2005
posted 08-12-2009 02:11 AM
SOLVED (I believe, anyway).
Okay, if that LM did go to the Moon, we know it would be left there, so the statement made by the narrator is wrong. Even if it was planned to be the Apollo 12 LM, it would never get used for a simulation like that. It gets checked out in a white room, dust free environment, etc. No way it would be on a set.
If it was meant to be part of a giant cover-up, do you think that they'd let some guy bring his kids in? To take home movies of the greatest coverup in history? Nope.
If they had to film part of it again because of the flag waving, why would they have released the "faked" lunar footage with the flag waving?
Why only one person on the surface, and not two as expected?
Why only a small area of soil / stage, rather than the larger scene we have witnessed on footage?
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
Now, let's look at it from a different angle. It's prior to the Apollo 11 lunar landing, about 1968 (at a guess).
The guy goes there as he has said. He is told it is the second LM. He thinks that means the second LM to land on the Moon but it is really the second LM, otherwise known as LM-2.
What do we know about LM-2? It was originally meant for flight but the success of LM-1 changed its destiny. In May 1968, the decision was made that LM2 would become a non-flight item and be used instead for "...nondestructive tests and for documentary photography."
So now we can say yes, it was LM-2 (the 'second LM') and it was being used for documentaries. The soundtrack says that footage was being filmed by CBS in case television was not available.
So now we can see it was a misunderstanding and a mis-statement by the person on the soundtrack. Now being allowed back to watch the filming, to be able to take his own footage, to have kids there, etc, all make sense.
Proponent Member
Posts: 59 From: London Registered: Oct 2008
posted 08-12-2009 02:19 AM
Obviousman, that sounds reasonable. Now if the moon-hoax people could just be convinced of that....
posted 08-10-2009 09:05 AM
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