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Topic: 301184519421: Armstrong autographed photo
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Michael1976
Member Posts: 106
From: Chandler, AZ 85249
Registered: Nov 2011
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posted 05-15-2014 12:10 AM
   
This might be the worst one evah!! Neil Armstrong Autographed Photograph This is an autographed photograph of Neil Armstrong. This is NOT a reprint. The photograph is in great condition. This item does NOT come with a COA. It is, however, a genuine autograph to the best of my knowledge. |
MarylandSpace
Member Posts: 1336
From:
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 05-15-2014 02:20 AM
It come from the seller called "Magickallycrafted" |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-15-2014 02:32 AM
"... to the best of my knowledge"???If you've got the hide to ask for $800, you'd imagine the seller might have done a little homework before establishing the price. |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 05-15-2014 04:38 AM
Wow... I've seen some crackers in my time but this tops the list. |
capoetc
Member Posts: 2169
From: McKinney TX (USA)
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 05-15-2014 06:34 AM
Hey, it passes the flag test, so it must be good...  |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 05-15-2014 09:36 AM
Well I guess it doesn't say 'WHO' autographed it.Shocking, hope no one gets hooked. |
jtheoret
Member Posts: 344
From: Albuquerque, NM USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 05-15-2014 10:18 AM
And the price mysteriously dropped $200! |
onesmallstep
Member Posts: 1310
From: Staten Island, New York USA
Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 05-15-2014 11:54 AM
Hmm. That's not Armstrong's signature; it's Neil Young's, the singer/songwriter  Seriously, I think someone is too desperate or is hoping nobody ever checked a legit example in Armstrong's hand. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 05-15-2014 12:10 PM
I offered him a buck and a quarter, lets see if he goes for that. |
kosmo
Member Posts: 388
From:
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 05-15-2014 01:08 PM
The listing ended, you must have won it!! |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 05-15-2014 02:12 PM
No he declined my generous offer. I guess he must have pulled it because it was pointed out that is was fake I imagine several times, or someone offered him more offline. |
rgarner
Member Posts: 1193
From: Shepperton, United Kingdom
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 05-15-2014 02:27 PM
I reported it to eBay as a fake. That may be why it was taken down. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-15-2014 02:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rgarner:
I reported it to eBay as a fake. That may be why it was taken down.
Regrettably, that is not the case. When the auction is still viewable and listed as "no longer available," that means the seller took action to end it voluntarily.If it was removed by eBay, you will get a page that says it no longer exists and a list of similar items. The original auction is completely gone and not viewable when eBay removes an auction. The reality of the matter is that reporting auctions through the standard online reporting tool does nothing. It never has. I hate to say it, but you are completely wasting your time by reporting fake autographs through the standard tool. Reporting copyright infringement is about the only thing that will get action through that tool. |
Dirk
Member Posts: 933
From: Belgium
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 05-15-2014 03:22 PM
There is another way but a rather expensive. I did it once with a fake signature of Wernher von Braun. Bought it and reported then to eBay the seller sold me a forgery. He was banned from eBay and I was refunded... |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 05-15-2014 03:32 PM
I have reported several items as fake/forgery through their tool and on occasion I have seen them removed. I don't know if this was because they were reported or other reasons, but they were taken down and you were not able to see them, unlike this case. I figured this time rather than reporting it, or letting the seller know it was fake (it appears he already knew that as he said don't tell me its fake in the listing unless you could prove it). I would just make a ridiculous offer, though still too high even at $1.25, but hey it was free shipping.Maybe someone from here pointed him to real Armstrong examples and he took it down after he saw them. |
moonnut
Member Posts: 248
From: Andover, MN
Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 05-15-2014 03:53 PM
When I message eBayers with blatant forgeries about their items, I do it respectfully, in case they just don't know better. Most will be bummed and just voluntarily take the ad down. Some will tell me to mind my own business and to prove it to them. I had one person send me several derogatory messages after I kindly informed them about the autograph. I ended up calling eBay and reporting they were selling forgeries. Yes, more than one. They said they could only take his ad down but not kick him off the site unless there was several phone call complaints. So I looked through his feedback and messaged every person that gave him a negative and told them to call eBay and complain. Many messaged back and said they definitely would. Bit extreme, but effective. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-15-2014 07:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dirk:
There is another way but a rather expensive. I did it once with a fake signature of Wernher von Braun. Bought it and reported then to eBay the seller sold me a forgery. He was banned from eBay and I was refunded...
If you do a PSA Quick Opinion and it fails, eBay will remove the item. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-15-2014 07:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by fredtrav:
I have reported several items as fake/forgery through their tool and on occasion I have seen them removed. I don't know if this was because they were reported or other reasons, but they were taken down and you were not able to see them, unlike this case.
eBay used to have a program for autographs called Enhanced Member Reporting (EMR). EMRs were knowledgable collector and dealer volunteers who eBay granted "enhanced" reporting abilities. If an EMR reported an item, it was usually removed promptly. If something was removed, it was probably because it was also reported by an EMR. On April 1, 2014, without explanation, eBay removed reporting capabilities for all autograph EMRs. eBay further announced it would only use EMR reporting going forward for high ticket counterfeit items such as jewelry. So if you think you have seen more fakes lately on eBay, it's because you have. EMRs were a limited number of volunteers and could not get everything, but they were responsible for removing thousands of fakes a month across many collecting fields. Now, almost nothing gets removed... even grossly malformed, obvious fakes. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-16-2014 05:37 PM
I contacted the seller and (amazingly) the item sold.I was also advised I "didn't know what I was talking about" and that a reputable authority gave this item the thumbs up. I pointed the seller to this thread... for all the good that will do. The final sentence in her message suggested I shouldn't send "slanderous emails thru the eBay system". Some people... |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-16-2014 05:43 PM
To be clear from the start, the seller is at fault.That said, if it really did sell (as the seller claims) then the buyer got what he or she deserved. If you (a) cannot discern that the autograph being offered is a forgery, and (b) do not have enough sense or patience to check with those who can, then you have no business buying or owning autographs. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-16-2014 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Dixon:
The final sentence in her message suggested I shouldn't send "slanderous emails thru the eBay system".
Of course the seller knows it's a worthless fake. Why else would a $3,000 item, if authentic, be listed for $600?Textbook aggressive response from a seller of counterfeit material. Honest sellers who may have unknowingly listed a bad item do not respond in that manner. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-16-2014 08:08 PM
The seller has now been kind enough to message me informing they're going to report me to the "proper authorities" ... whoever they are.This'll prove to be interesting, assuming he /she has the courage to pursue it. |
jtheoret
Member Posts: 344
From: Albuquerque, NM USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 05-16-2014 09:08 PM
That seller wouldnt know proper or authority. |
moonnut
Member Posts: 248
From: Andover, MN
Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 05-16-2014 11:59 PM
Would that be the same reputable authority that claimed authenticity? If so, no worries... they don't exist!! Also, I do agree with you Robert. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-17-2014 01:02 AM
Well, here's an extract from the seller's listed item. This item does NOT come with a PSA/DNA or any other document stating it is real. I was informed it was a genuine signature and that is all I have to go on. ...and here's the seller's first response to my recommendation (direct, but nonetheless polite) that she pull the item or risk "damaging your reuputation." How is it a fake? I was told it is the real thing, by a reputable business. I did the Google search and it only shows to be a real thing. Try reconciling those two statements. As I said, some people... |
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