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Topic: Apollo 11 crew signature opinions
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Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-15-2012 03:24 AM
   
Opinions please on these Apollo 11 crew signatures that someone has sent me photos of:    I don't want to influence others' opinions so I won't say anything at this point. |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 2914
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 09-15-2012 05:10 AM
Since you're asking opinions and with nothing more to go on about them, I think all three are in no way authentic and appear to be in the same hand. But even if the owner said they were hand-signed in front of his own eyes, I just would not believe him. But once again, just my own personal opinion, rather right or wrong. |
Tykeanaut
Member Posts: 2212
From: Worcestershire, England, UK.
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 09-15-2012 05:56 AM
I'm no expert but I agree with you Ken, they all look "iffy". |
topmiler
Member Posts: 148
From: eastleigh, hampshire, UK
Registered: Jul 2012
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posted 09-15-2012 06:38 AM
Yes, I agree, iffy. |
Chariot412
Member Posts: 156
From: Lockport, NY, 14094
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 09-15-2012 08:16 AM
Not good... |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 09-15-2012 10:31 AM
Wouldn't touch them! |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 09-15-2012 11:03 AM
Iffy is being kind. |
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Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-15-2012 11:07 AM
I was really wondering if they're possible KSC-origin 'secretarials'? The Collins is similar to the known style. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-15-2012 11:11 AM
My first thought was the Astronaut Office "secretarials" too, but the Armstrong is of a significantly different style. Is there any evidence (envelope, letter) that these came directly from NASA? And when you say "KSC-origin," have we any examples of any mail being returned from Kennedy, real or fake? I thought all requests were answered from Houston... |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 2914
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 09-15-2012 12:15 PM
Regardless, even if astronaut secretarials, they're still not authentic in my view, which only again, is a personal opinion. |
leslie
Member Posts: 231
From: Surrey, England
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 09-18-2012 08:07 AM
The Collins is the glaring example of a dud! Didn't even get to the other two!These are certainly not from the Astronaut Office, in my opinion. The Aldrin is quite awful... |
spaceflori
Member Posts: 1499
From: Germany
Registered: May 2000
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posted 09-18-2012 02:16 PM
Accidentally I just picked similar samples up in a collection at a stamp auction.I have seen these styles (that are different from the ones from the astronaut office) already several times and when asked people also proclaimed they came from NASA.... Maybe another secretarial style — I wouldn't rule it out! |
bwhite1976
Member Posts: 281
From: Belleville, IL
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 09-18-2012 04:44 PM
My first impression was that all three do not look right. I could be wrong. The Armstrong and Collins signatures looks very iffy. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 09-18-2012 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by fredtrav:
Iffy is being kind.
Yes... Why are people dancing around it? There is no way any of these signatures is authentic. LOL And that's not just an opinion, that's a fact! 
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Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-19-2012 06:05 AM
I should clarify that I told the owner of this piece from the beginning that I had no doubt the signatures were forgeries. I wanted to post the signatures here without expressing any opinion so that they could see other independent opinions. When someone is being told that the item they might have thought was worth thousands of dollars is actually fake, unbiased second opinions are critical.Anyway, I've been asked by the owner to share a little more background on this one. The signatures are on the mat of a NASA presentation inscribed to the original owner. It was inscribed to someone at an American Consulate who helped the Apollo 11 crew during their post-flight world tour (name digitally erased in photo below). The presentation was accompanied by a NASA certificate of appreciation specific to the world tour with the awardee's name typed and printed crew signatures.  Has anyone seen personalized presentations like this before? If so, did they have crew signatures ('secretarials, Autopens or genuine) on them or not? I would say the piece would make an odd presentation without at least a set of Autopen signatures on it. Of course it may be that the presentation was sent out with just the inscription and a forger added the signatures to an open area of the mat at a later date. It seems possible however that the piece was sent out signed, which would mean the signatures were added at NASA HQ. The interest here is to know if this is a previously unrecognized secretarial style. |
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