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Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 07-18-2012 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose it appropriate that after the anniversary of the Apollo Soyuz Test Project that I be poking around the internet and find this alternate take on the STS-61-C patch....
Earlier this year, we were approached by a researcher who found an unusual item in the George Abbey Papers, Box 10 inside the folder labeled, "Alternate Columbia Crew Patch and Humorous Documents."

The folder also contained an undated handwritten letter from Bo [Bobko] that read:

"Dear George, We knew you would be interested in seeing our new patch proposal for 41F as soon as we had it completed. We hope it meets with your approval."

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-18-2012 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The researcher who unearthed this odd patch design was cS member Jay Chladek. He shared it with me when it was first uncovered.

I wasn't aware the archives wrote it up.

FFrench
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posted 07-18-2012 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard about "George and the dragon" from other crew members from this mission, so I'd certainly be interested in hearing what others learn about this story...

hoorenz
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posted 07-19-2012 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read about it before in a book - can not remember which one. Was it Dragonfly? Or Bill Nelson's or Mike Mullane's book?

The 41F note seems to be unrelated. Bobko's crew was already taken off 41F in the Summer of 1984, when it was combined with 41D. Maybe the humorous part of the document is that the original 41F patch (with 'Discovery' and two stars for the second flight of Discovery), after having been changed to 'Challenger' for the also cancelled 51E flight (and changed again to include Jake Garn), was recycled for STS-51D, again with 'Discovery'and two stars (now symbolizing something else, since 51D was the 3rd flight of this orbiter). I could imagine that Bobko submitted his 51D patch with this note, since it was basically the same as the one he had submitted the first time, as a reference to the long design history.

By the way, nice Russian touch, especially with a crew commander who would become the first to dock with the Russian space station Mir some ten years later.

Jay Chladek
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posted 07-19-2012 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I almost forgot about that. I was doing research at the archives for my book when I came across that item, along with an alternative ASTP patch design (not much different from what was used, but some of the arrangement was altered and the border colors were different). So I showed it to the person working there (I believe it was Jean Grant, the head archivist on staff) and we had a good laugh over it. We certainly agreed that the patch design had to have a story behind it somewhere and the only way to find out was to begin putting the feelers out. So I can't recall if I emailed it to Robert or if Jean did (or if we somehow did it together). Given that the mercurial George Abbey was somehow involved (as it was in his archive) certainly had our interest piqued along with the fact that it was in the archives and not in the trash. Having the names of the 61C crew on the patch also made it more interesting.

From what I can recall of the "patch" design, it looked sort of like it was a color copy on slick paper (did they even have laser copiers in the early 1980s?) or a clipping from a magazine. So I have a feeling somebody clipped the Dragon artwork from another source (probably an advertisement for Dungeons and Dragons in a magazine) and the person or persons went about doing the rest of the mission patch around it. The bit I found really bizarre though was seeing Columbia firing its RCS jets to "burn" down a Soviet Salyut type station. Whether done as a serious proposal or something a bit more humorous, a lot of effort went into it. I appreciated the efforts at least since it reminded me of my "edited" STS-124 patch with the toilet paper roll.

We never did get a good followup on it as I was focusing on other things and I don't have any contact information for Bo Bobko. I am curious as to what Bo might have to say about it though (if anything).

You know, I honestly never thought of "George and the Dragon" when I saw that patch design. But my priorities are wired a little differently and I tend to be more of a technical minded person rather than a literary one. So I don't bat much of an eye to literary works, but I'll go gaga over pictures of the space shuttle if I can gleem some new detail from them.

hoorenz
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posted 07-19-2012 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here it is, from the 1988 book "Mission" by Congressman Bill Nelson:
Our particular patch was designed by Hoot (Gibson) after input from the other NASA crew members. For some reason that escaped us all, George Abbey wanted a picture of a dragon to appear on the patch. None of the crew members felt a dragon was appropriate. Instead, the patch showed the COLUMBIA in a nose-up position with shock waves coming off the nose as it reentered earth's atmosphere. In addition to the Stars and Stripes, the astronauts decided to include the constellation Draco in the background. Pinky Nelson, who has a doctorate in astronomy, joked "that's as close as we can come to George's dragon"...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-11-2015 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rhea Seddon made passing mention of this patch in a recent blog entry:
There are even a few funny crew patches in private files. The chief of crew operations had to approve all patches. Jokingly, he looked at one and told the commander there had never been a dragon on a patch and to add one. The design that came back with Columbia as a fire-breathing dragon destroying a Russian space vehicle was not acceptable. Cleverly, to comply with the order, the crew arranged stars on the patch in the shape of the constellation Draco (the dragon).

p51
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posted 05-12-2015 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard Hoot Gibson talk about this in October. He said pretty much what's been posted before, that the crew looked at each other and said, "Dragon? What the...?" and came up with a dragon attacking a Russian module.

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