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apollo11lem5
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posted 03-11-2005 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo11lem5   Click Here to Email apollo11lem5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Griffin Aerospace Models out of Fort Worth has produced a large (12 inch) SpaceShipOne model and it is beautiful and affordable!

Groucho
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posted 05-16-2005 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho   Click Here to Email Groucho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too have been looking for a good WhiteKnight and SpaceShipOne model. I checked out the Griffin model and was frankly unimpressed — there is too much wrong with it... but then again I'm picky and know those vehicles intimately — I worked for Rutan & Co for 13 years (91-05), and was purchasing manager at Scaled for the entire Tier One program from inception through the X-Prize flights.

As the showpiece to my new game room, I've just ordered a mahogany desk model of the stack from Silent Thunder Models. They also feature a solo SpaceShipOne model at the same scale in X-Prize livery.

Instead of the "stock" model, however, I've ordered a custom version that should integrate some changes and improvements as outlined below. It is due "the second week of July." Silent Thunder tells me that they will make the changes I describe, so I would wait if you want a more scale model than exists presently.

When I get it, I'm having Mike Melvill (my former boss and good friend), Brian Binnie, and Burt sign it. It should be quite the heirloom!

This is what I sent the model company.

Thank you for speaking with me today. I'm looking forward to receiving my custom model from Silent Thunder Models.

I would like to have my model painted in the livery of the X Prize flights in September and October of 2004. Many very detailed photos of White Knight and SpaceShipOne as they appeared during these flights are available online, with all sponsor decals painted on both. If the detail online is insufficient, please let me know and I'll search my personal photos.

There are several details that I would like changed from the "stock" model as shown on your website. I am very proud to have been a part of this program. I plan on having this model for the rest of my life, so the inclusion of a few corrections and details would be very much appreciated.

  1. The color of the thermal protective material on SpaceShipOne's nose, forward underside, and leading edge of wings and elevons is incorrect. It is painted on the model as a bright red that matches the stripes on the White Knight. In fact, the color should, in fact, be a very "dusty" grey-pink.

  2. The color of the spaceship's rocket nozzle is also incorrect — in reality, the color is very similar to that of the thermal protection system, only darker.

  3. The "stock" model lacks the struts that stabilize the SpaceShipOne while it is mated to WhiteKnight. The struts extend downward from near the aircraft's wing root, just forward of the trailing edge. They are not swept, but do angle outward at about 5 degrees. It attaches to the spaceship at about mid span on the wing, and are painted in a black and white striped "barber pole" fashion.

  4. When retracted, the nose skid strut actually protrudes beyond the outer skin of SpaceShipOne and should not be painted the color of the surrounding thermal protection system. Similarly, the main landing gear tires of WhiteKnight do not retract fully inside of the booms and, in fact, protrude slightly.

  5. The WhiteKnight features "cave art" depicting previous captive carries and launches performed during the program. These appear on the left side of her fuselage. While I understand the level of detail may be too small to paint, some representation of the "cave art" would be very nice indeed.

  6. Where possible, I would like control surface, gear doors, and other panel lines to be depicted on both vehicles, including the spacecraft wing-feather hinge line at mid-chord on SpaceShipOne.

    Also of particular interest is a line depicting the removable nose cone that both the spacecraft and aircraft feature (as both share essentially the exact same cabin and nose section).

    It is also noteworthy that your "stock" model incorrectly depicts the hole for the cabin pressure plug as open during flight (visible on your stock model as a smaller window porthole). These are only open during ground servicing and taxiing — they are plugged up during flight and thus would not be visible.

  7. Wing shape of the "stock" model is incorrect. This model appears to use a pure "Hershey Bar" wing with no sweep to either the leading or trailing edge — a common error. The actual aircraft features a subtle taper on the wing panel between the booms and the winglet.
I am no longer employed by Scaled Composites, and thus do not and cannot speak officially for them, Vulcan/Paul Allen Group, Mojave Aerospace, or Virgin Galactic. That being said, I have forwarded info on your models to some of my friends and associates at Scaled — I'm sure that they will place orders with your company as well, especially a properly "corrected" one.

Spacepsycho
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posted 06-17-2005 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate the info on the SpaceShipOne model and while the Griffin model may not be exact, it seems that it's good enough for Burt Rutan to order one for each employee of Scaled Composites.

I just spoke to Fred at Griffins, he's making 15 of them for Oskosh where Burt is picking up three of them for himself, Brian and Mike. I bought two and the rest will be signed by Mike, Brian and Burt, then sold at the Griffin booth. I don't think they're going to stay on the shelf very long.

Groucho
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posted 06-29-2005 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho   Click Here to Email Groucho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you guys like your Griffins.

I have just received some photos of the Silent Thunder model I've given my input on. It looks great! I should have it within a week or two.

I know for a fact that a couple of the guys at Scaled are ordering one of these for themselves. Here are a couple of shots:

Spacepsycho
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posted 07-01-2005 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacepsycho   Click Here to Email Spacepsycho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful model and it looks like they did an incredible job.

Nobody has seen the Griffin models yet because they're still being built, but from seeing other Griffin aviation models, they do excellent work which is why I bought two of them.

I'm sure Burt ordered a Thunder because of the quality, but he gave Griffin the order for to build one for every employee at Scaled.

It's not a "mine is better" attitude, they're both beautiful pieces and your model is probably more accurate. The fact remains that 99%+ of the people out there have no idea and don't care about the differences in details between Thunder and Griffin.

There are very few people in your knowledgeable position to know the difference and I'm happy that Thunder was able to change the specs for you. It didn't even occur to me that a company would do that, even for an extra charge.

Groucho
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posted 07-07-2005 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho   Click Here to Email Groucho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just received the final photos from Silent Thunder. Awesome... just awesome.

Groucho
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posted 08-04-2005 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho   Click Here to Email Groucho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I've received it... and it's gorgeous. Really, words fail. They have done all of the changes I've prescribed... it is now, without a doubt, the most true-to-scale model on the market.

Lots of pics of my model on Silent Thunder's website.

jeffbassett
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posted 08-31-2005 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffbassett   Click Here to Email jeffbassett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my model and was disappointed to tell you the truth. The graphics are hand drawn in, not badly, but its not sharp. You will notice it on the flag graphics or the Galactic logo on the tail for instance inthe shots above. The aircraft registration lettering on mine was not that sharp as pictured above. Not that bad, acceptable as its the best model available. But on mine, the ship was mated to White Knight slightly off center, the striping was off center in the other direction and the landing door on spaceship one offset again from center in the opposite direction giving it a bad imbalanced look from the bottom.

The ships themselve were terrific sharp looking replicas. I would be great if they could spend an extra effort to get the graphics made by a professional decal graphics shop and add them on that way rather than the hand painting.

I don't know if I got a "bad paint day" model or if the quality on them is "get what you got", but I was disapointed.

I returned mine with the request they see if the other instock model was better or had the same quality workmanship on it and am waiting to hear if it was just an odd bad paint job or if this is what to expect with a hand made model from Silent Thunder. They have had it for two days and I have not heard back on it, so I am left to wonder what is next. Looks like I will place a call tomorrow to check if needed.

Groucho
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posted 03-14-2006 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho   Click Here to Email Groucho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry you were unhappy with the model, Jeff.

I was recently back at KMHV (Mojave Air and Space Port) on business, so I stopped by my old digs at Scaled Composites.

They had just purchased a handful of both the "stack" and SpaceShipOne alone from Silent Thunder. Burt Rutan is very happy with them, saying that the Silent Thunder models are the only ones to get the birds right so far.

Burt and several others whom I had worked with on the Tier One program complimented me in my ersatz "Technical Advisory" role I took (for purely selfish reasons) in getting Silent Thunder to make the vehicles properly. As such, it has become the unofficial "official" model for Scaled.

jeffbassett
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posted 03-18-2006 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffbassett   Click Here to Email jeffbassett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy to hear that. I am pretty sure I got a lemon of the lot. Silent Thunder admitted in an e-mail that there were flaws, just not bad enough to their own set standards.

SuperKungFu
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posted 12-19-2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperKungFu   Click Here to Email SuperKungFu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silent Thunder's 1:48 SpaceShipOne and White Knight a real gem, just landed in my collection today. Took a while to receive it because I worked very closely with them to make sure everything was done accurately.

It's quite a large model, at 1/48 scale, it has a 20" wingspan and it's 11" long.

As you can see from their sample photos on their website to mine, there's some major improvements such as the cockpit windows. All the little details on the engines, antennas, markings, cockpit windows... it's a beauty. Here are some pictures:

SuperKungFu
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posted 12-19-2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperKungFu   Click Here to Email SuperKungFu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted 12-19-2016 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperKungFu   Click Here to Email SuperKungFu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Ironman One
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posted 12-22-2016 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ironman One   Click Here to Email Ironman One     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Revell Germany has a nice kit of this also.

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