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Rick Mulheirn
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posted 06-17-2005 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few words about the model I took photographs of for Andy's article on the Grumman LM contractor model.

I was conscious of the historic nature of this model but not aware that it had been Andy's first. For sure it is an iconic item that I had been wanting to add to my collection for many a year. I have one or two other models, including a Hyatt CSM stack which is in exceptional condition..... except for one small piece of decal that is missing. It is unlikely I would ever attempt to remedy the decal on the Hyatt model. But so key is the hatch decal to the look of the Topping/Grumman LM, and so poor was the condition of the original hatch decal I felt it something I had to fix.

Once again Andy came up trumps with a replacement that not only matched perfectly the condition and colour of all the other original decals, but an apparent age to it that means the replacement is indistinguishable from a pristine original example.

For the record, this model was also missing the rendezvous window decal; I do not know whether this was a deliberate omission from the earlier examples, or something that had came off over time. Either way, coming as it did from the same stable as the new hatch decal sliding it onto the model was a piece of cake.

The true test off my handy work is whether or not it meets Andy's approval, and thankfully it did. For those who do not know Andy, his passion for these models is something to behold and admire; a passion I have come to share and appreciate. I must go on record to thank him for not only providing me with the opportunity to acquire such a superb example but for putting up with my constant questioning, prodding and probing over the last year or two.

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posted 06-17-2005 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethpage02   Click Here to Email bethpage02     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am the owner of OY-1 that Andy refers to in his article...

Growing up as a Grumman kid was very special for me. My Father worked for Grumman Aerospace from 1962 until 1974. I have always referred to Grumman as my Disneyland. When I was a young lad I often spent Saturdays in one of the guard shacks (South Entrance off of Seaford Oyster Bay Road) while my father went inside to work. I always pretended that I was helping to protect the LM’s and all the “secret” stuff being built inside. In reality I was playing with the water cooler and eating donuts!

I remember signs posted on every length of fencing around the plant stating that no photographs are allowed to be taken and the US Government will arrest violators. That sign is pretty scary when you are 5 yrs old!

I also remember being allowed into the plant a few times a year. They would have a family day with a tour of certain places within the plant. I remember looking down into the clean room where the LM’s were being assembled. I had no idea what I was seeing but remember all the techs looking like Doctor’s in their white coats and hats. I may not have known what I was looking at back then, but I do now!

My father was an engineer who worked on many of the Grumman projects. The Apollo projects need I say more? The E2-C Hawkeye and the F-14 A Tomcat the greatest fighter ever built. My Father was instrumental in creating V.A.S.T. (Versatile Avionics Shop Test) allowed tech’s to test planes on site where ever the fighter sat.

The only thing better than hanging out at Bethpage was the Grumman family picnic held out in Calverton (F-14 assembly and testing facility) each year. Those were great times and if any of you remember the picnic then you know what I mean. They went all out, it was the best of times.

But what I am most proud of is that every employee from the engineers to the people who maintained the buildings at Grumman all signed there names on a poster from which negatives were made and flown to the moon on every mission. Knowing that our family name is on every descent stage left on the moon was the coolest thing. To this day whenever I look up and see the moon I smile and say to myself, wow...

As I have gotten older (I have just turned 41 this June). I felt an urgency to get things in order and start to gather all of my father’s mementos together. You have to understand that Grumman literature and “things” were all over our house. Many things were played with by my sister and I including the Topping Contractor LM model given to the Techs and Engineers who worked on the LM’s.

Doing a search on the web I was lucky enough to stumble upon Collect Space and while searching the site I found a post from a lady who was asking where she could sell her Topping LM model. I replied to her that she should never sell it. It is a glorious memento from arguably mankind’s greatest achievement.

A gentleman named Rick Mulherin read and replied to both of our posts telling us that he knew a gent out west who took wounded “eagles” into his shop and restored them. It was then I met Andy Lagomarsino (lunar rover on CS). I’m glad we met.

Years of playing with the model and neglect made her look old and yellow, and for lack of another word, a junkyard wreck. Andy (Dr Lem as I have grown to call him) got in touch with me after I sent him some digital scans of our LM. He told me that this model is in the worst condition of any of the models he has ever seen. I did get a good laugh about that but could not have the worst specimen in existence. Andy then told me that this would be the “Mother of all restorations” and normally would not attempt to revive a model that had this much damage.

Andy then went on to say that he wanted to take on this task because of a few reasons. First the challenge of trying to bring her back and secondly, it was the first time that Andy has worked on a model from a descendent of a Grumman employee who worked on the LM projects. Of course my chest swelled with pride knowing that Andy, Rick and many people, (myself included) regard these men and women of Grumman and the other contractors who did the impossible over 35 years ago as hero’s and a generation of folks that should never be forgotten.

During the restoration procedure Andy was kind enough to send me updates as we went along. Many parts were missing so they had to be fabricated to look like the originals. The porch for the ladder was gone, the ascent stage engine bell was gone, all of the antennas were gone or broken and all 16 RCS thrusters were gone as well.

We went back and forth discussing my model and many other things. After a while I started to call him “Doc” and then “Doc Lem”. He loves to hear about my Grumman adventures and what is was like for me to grow up a Grumman Kid.

We had a great time with the restoration, Fedex was kind enough to leave my model at the end of Andy’s driveway out on the street. It also took them 3 days to get it there when it should have been 18 hours !!! Doc Lem often called me and asked me questions during the transformation like where the hell is the porch or do you know the ascent stage engine bell is missing. I could tell Doc was not happy that the porch had been lost !!! But with no delay he had a plan and one was built. Along the way we traded stories and Doc shared with me a lot of things that I did not know. He is the salt of the earth. And I look forward to meeting him later this year

Lastly I would just like to thank Andy, Rick and Robert from Collect space. Our history is an important part of all of our futures. Please visit the museums and support their restoration work too.

When visiting LI, NY please visit the Cradle of Aviation Museum at Mitchel Field. A gem of a place with a huge area dedicated to the Apollo missions with many of the items on display donated from retired Grumman employees and from The Air and Space Museum in DC. The best of all is LM-13 (would have been Apollo18) is on permanent display at the museum for all to see in a very quiet and intimate location within the museum. One of my favorite things is to watch the retired Grumman guys look at their work with so much pride as they walk through the museum. I wish my father were alive to see this tribute dedicated to every one of them.

Best regards

Joe Fitzpatrick
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Larry McGlynn
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posted 06-17-2005 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I, too, have to sing Andy's praises. I have many models of spacecraft, but I was looking for a Grumman/Topping LM model to include with the NAA/Hyatt CSM model.

I had been looking for a long time and Andy came to the rescue. He provided me with an excellent example of his work which sits in my study.

Thanks Andy,

Larry McGlynn

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posted 06-18-2005 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceflyer   Click Here to Email Spaceflyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely agree what Rick, Joe and Larry said!

I had also been looking for a long time and found via cs and Larry McGlynn a guy named Andy Lagormasino. We changed a lot of emails not only discussing about the LM´s we also talked a lot very personal. Andy offered me a LM he was already working on. When we met last year in september it was a great moment when he unpacked the LM and I was very excited about the work he had done. The model has now a special place in my own little museum and will travel in the near future with other artifacts to some exhibitions.

I have to say that Andy did a superb job of restoring my model and all the others I saw. I saw the photos from his article last year for the first time when we changed out emails and I was surprised about the bad condition of the model and also excited about Andy`s work to bring the model back to its glory! Andy`s passion for those models gives the guarantee for a beautiful model after restoration!

Well done, Andy

Best wishes,
Gerhard

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posted 06-18-2005 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunarRover   Click Here to Email LunarRover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rick, Joe, Larry, Gerhard. Round up the usual suspects, Inspector! Gentlemen, the level of detail and workmanship you and other discriminating collectors require has done much to hone modeling techniques used in these restorations. Thank you for this, and for your kind words.

Thank you also to those who have emailed questions, or comments on the article. I am currently travelling (in Kansas for the opeing of the Mercury/Gemini gallery at the Cosmosphere...WOW!). I will reply individually as soon as time permits.

"Magnificent Creations" owes a great deal to the stylistic input and the deft editing of Robert Pearlman. Robert, thank you for your contributions and patience. This literally could not have happened without you.

It is my hope that "Magnificent Creations" will remain a work in progress. I have just received an email from a reader of the article, who's neighbor worked for Precise Models. Such is the power of the internet.
Perhaps this contact, and others which may follow, will provide the leads and data necessary to fill in many of the blanks in the present paper.

Hopefully updates will appear as new information becomes available. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any input.

Rover
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posted 06-19-2005 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Joe-

Thank you for sharing the story about OY-1 and growing up as a Grumman kid. When I read "Magnificent Creation" I became embarassed as I read it because I too own one of these models, but I may have ruined mine. The base looks like the one in the photos but the landing gear and footpads are made of plastic. I recieved it many years ago from my brother who had built a piece of furniture for a Grumman retiree.

I probably lowered the value almost immediately by painting the ascent stage to match the aluminum color in photographs I'd seen of the real thing. Then I painted the landing gear and footpads gold. At present I am missing two RCS thrusters, rendezvous radar, S-band and VHF antennae as well as the porch rail. The windows were missing when I got it.

What am I looking at for restoration cost? Have I ruined the model by painting it? I appreciate any info you might provide.

Thanks,
Tim

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 06-19-2005 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tim,

I cannot speak for Andy with regards restoration of your model but I would like to see some photos/scans of it, if possible? That was how it started with Joe's model so who knows what the pictures may lead to...

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Rick.

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posted 06-19-2005 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article and posts! (I loved your story Joe)

I need to schedule an appointment with the good Dr LEM.

I too grew up on Long Island, not far from the Lunar Module Factory, and have had one of these models in my collection for 35 years now.

Minor yellowing, an S-band and a few thrusters are missing.

What a great opportunity to have these models restored.

Thanks Rover!

Aloha

Rizz

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posted 06-19-2005 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tedc   Click Here to Email tedc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the best way to find any orphans a new home?

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 06-21-2005 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
eBay tosses up Grumman/Topping LMs on a pretty regular basis. Of late $400 to $700 is common. Quality varies from good to diabolical but on average you can turn up something "with potential". Failing that they crop up regularly at Swann and Aurora but Swann usually attracts premium prices... $1750 to $2000 is common; though not necessarily premium quality. May be something to do with being in Grumman's back yard so to speak...

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posted 06-21-2005 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rick-

Thanks for the tip. I'll try to get the images done this weekend.

Tim

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 06-21-2005 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look forward to it Tim.

Regards,

Rick.

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posted 06-30-2005 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethpage02   Click Here to Email bethpage02     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tim, sorry it has taken so long to reply but I see my friend Rick has already been in touch with you about your model. I hope Doc Lem can help you out. If there is anyone who can, its Andy!!!

I have other photos of my restored LM if you would like to see any. Good luck and may your "Eagle" soar once again...

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 07-12-2005 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both in their own different ways need some serious attention. To say the second model is in excellent condition (according to the seller) is stretching the point ...considerably!

Regards,

Rick.

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posted 01-25-2007 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunarRover   Click Here to Email LunarRover     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks to cS member Blake for pointing out a very informative website which contains further information on the Grumman lunar module contractor models. Also some fantastic period photos. I heartily recommend taking a peek!

According to this site, production of the LM models was less than my earlier research had indicated, perhaps only 6000 total made, 1500 or so by Precise.

This additional production data could serve to explain the tendency of the later pre-quote base models to yellow more easily than earlier builds; perhaps the clearcoat formulations were changed when model production shifted to Precise, and not as a result of new EPA guidelines as had previously been speculated on.

Further, this new data might hold clues as to observable tendencies as to differences in build quality; the later builds of the non-quote base model(which seem to yellow more easily) perhaps would have been done by a new group of assemblers. However, by the time quote base models were being produced, build quality had improved, perhaps as Precise's assemblers became more familiar with the model.

Great job, Blake! Thanks!

Rover
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