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Ianhetho
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posted 09-09-2020 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ianhetho   Click Here to Email Ianhetho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an ex-Gene Cernan collection Apollo 17 flown landmark map. After many years undisplayed, I took it out for closer inspection and to check its condition.

I noticed the signed transfer/sticker on the back seems to be placed over another transfer/sticker of equal size. Look closely at the photo and it can be clearly seen. I have tried reading it through a light with no result and I fear damaging the transfer or map if I try to remove it.

Has anybody else's have this? Can anybody shed some light on this?

hbw60
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posted 09-09-2020 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I purchased the front/back covers of the book that held your map. And like your map, they both have doubled-up stickers. I used a flashlight to illuminate it from below, so I could see the layer beneath. It appears to be the exact same sticker, only unsigned.

I have no idea why Gene chose to use two stickers instead of one. It's possible that he just wanted them to feel more thick and substantial, with a higher amount of contrast. You can faintly see the second sticker below, which means the stickers themselves are thin enough to be slightly transparent. Perhaps he attached one sticker, felt it looked too thin and flimsy, and added another for a cleaner white background on them.

It's also possible (though less likely) that there was some sort of mixup in the signing process. Maybe these stickers were created by someone else involved in the original sale, and Gene didn't realize he was supposed to sign them. And then after the book had been sold, he signed another set and sent them to the buyer, resulting in a second set on the top of the first. Again, this seems unlikely, as every one of the maps was sold with a photo of Gene holding the signed book. So it definitely seems to have been fully signed before he parted with it. (I can send you one of these photos if you don't already have one.)

I've been curious about this ever since I bought mine. I always wondered if all of the pages had two stickers, or only my covers. So I'm glad to learn new information about them. Thank you!

hbw60
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posted 09-09-2020 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I was wrong. I just checked again, and the label underneath is different. And it was signed, too! So you likely have a second Cernan signature hiding under the first one. Although I strongly advise you to not attempt to remove it. You'll likely destroy both.

The stickers on top have a photo of the Apollo 17 insignia, followed by "The Eugene A. Cernan Space Collection". On the bottom sticker, this section is replaced with the following text:

Flown to Lunar Orbit aboard the Apollo 17 CM "America"
Both stickers then contain the same text at the bottom. Although Gene's signature has been (correctly) moved down, to be just above his name.

So I think that the stickers were probably amended to specify that these were from Cernan's collection, to place his signature directly above his name, and to remove the duplicate "lunar orbit flown" notations. The newer stickers look much nicer, I think. Although I prefer the way the bottom stickers more boldly list them as flown.

Larry McGlynn
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posted 09-09-2020 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a good piece. The basics of the story is that a guy named David Frohman became involved with Gene in 2009. David was a dealer of space material whose company was named Peachstate Historical Consulting.

Gene didn't want to inscribe all the maps and pages that he was selling due to arthritic pain in his hands. David made up rubber stamps and signature plates for each piece that he picked up from Gene. David didn't like the original wording and redid the labels and had Gene sign them again.

Ianhetho
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posted 09-09-2020 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ianhetho   Click Here to Email Ianhetho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After a closer look with a brighter torch I can now see mine is identical underneath but the fourth line is a little different but difficult to see. Also there is no signature.

hbw60
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posted 09-09-2020 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, both of you! I've always wondered about this, but I never thought to ask about it. So I'm happy to have an answer to this!

Ian, I really like your particular map. I can never decide whether or not I like the fact that most of the certificates were attached to the front of the maps. For display purposes, it's nice to have a signed notation on the front, in full view. But it also alters the historical perspective of them. Most of the maps have a blank section that was large enough for the sticker to be attached. You have a bigger portrait of the lunar surface, which required it to be hidden on the back. I think I prefer that. You could always photocopy the certificate and have it framed below the map if you wanted. So you have the choice of whether or not to display it.

My cover has the COA sticker on the front, along with the added "Provenance" stamp on top. I think it clutters the format a bit, and it's an alteration of the original item. I think I would have preferred the cover to look exactly as it did when it flew, with the sticker on the back. So you got a really great one!

Ianhetho
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posted 09-09-2020 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ianhetho   Click Here to Email Ianhetho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That’s a great idea to photo the transfer and add it to a display. I will do that for sure. I was planing to display the piece, which is why I was recently studying It. Thank you peeps for some great advise, input and ideas.

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