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Topic: Charlie Duke's Apollo 16 LM PPK manifest
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thisismills
Member Posts: 302
From: Michigan
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 09-25-2018 01:07 AM
   
Since these Apollo PPK list's were private between Deke and the astronauts, I was glad to see Charlie Duke's Apollo 16 LM PPK manifest documented in the upcoming Heritage auction. It is listed as copy, further signed by Duke and being sold with a flown pin.  |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3119
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-25-2018 06:01 AM
Nice to see this, although it still leaves plenty of questions.The 350 flags in a packet — was this based on a standard flag kit (136 nations, 50 US states, 25+ US flags, etc.) or was it a particular set of flags selected by Duke? As I've never seen him sell a foreign flag I'd have to suspect the latter, with multiple packs of 25 US flags probably making up the bulk of the packet. 25 medallions from G. Robbins: interesting. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3119
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-25-2018 07:28 AM
A couple of the other items include PPK listings: Conrad's Apollo 12 PPK S/N 1029 and Bean's Apollo 12 PPK S/N 1068 (maybe partial).These also raise lots of questions, particularly the handwritten notes on Conrad's PPK which appears to tot up totals of flags, gold moon pins, and other items from multiple PPKs. |
thisismills
Member Posts: 302
From: Michigan
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 09-25-2018 09:27 AM
I took a few minutes to transcribe the handwriting from the list below as best I could, but will need help from others for the ? names.[My guess, but not sure] Deke, this is my list as of 4-6-72 this date. It's being weighed now.PPK Items for C. Duke 2 pins + ring for Dotty
2 gold medallions for me
6 pins for relatives
1 pin for Glenn
1 pin for Al
1 dollar for Curtis
2 medallions for Air Force
Flag for Bill Bass
1 church pennant
3 symbols for Don Raish
1 charm for J. Stewart
3 charms for Dan
1 charm for Dick Boushka
2 flag for ? [Las Brisas]
1 charm for Ron
1 charm for Steve ? [Grega]
1 charm for B. Vickers
3 family pictures
1 microfilm of N. B. Baptist (Nassau Bay Baptist Church)
4 flags for Joe Garino
3 mementos for A. F. museum
1 flag packet for Ludy Benjamin
2 flags for J. ? [Kirby]
1 St. Christopher medal for Betsy
3 dimes for ? [Orian]
1 patch for AFA
1 charm for Victor
1 arrowhead for ? [Fred Bear]
1 medallion for Jack
1 prayer for ? [Paddy]
25 medallions from G. Robbins
350 flags in packet
20 covers for my kids
1 flag for Darrell Royal
1 flag for hometown
3 flags for Charlie Neal I'm guessing that AFA means Air Force Academy. |
drifting to the right
Member Posts: 117
From: SW La.
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted 09-25-2018 09:46 AM
Wow! Great to know, as Charlie's LM flown PPK is in my collection. Thanks for posting and transcribing.
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spaced out
Member Posts: 3119
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-25-2018 10:11 AM
Your transcription was pretty much the same as mine (complete with lots of question marks). My only addition would be:"? [3 or 7] family ?" => "3 family picture" [sic] Where it was corrected from 1 family picture to 3.
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Larry McGlynn
Member Posts: 1269
From: Boston, MA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 09-25-2018 02:44 PM
I didn't know Howard was allowed to sell the PPK lists he has in his possession. Still, it is cool to see some of the articles on the list. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo
Member Posts: 3446
From: Toms River, NJ
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-25-2018 05:32 PM
"N. B. Baptist" ---> First Baptist Church of New Braunfels? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 43684
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-25-2018 06:11 PM
Duke did not move to New Braunfels until after he left NASA in 1975 in pursuit of business opportunities. I could be wrong, but I don't believe he had connections to the area before he went to the moon. |
Larry McGlynn
Member Posts: 1269
From: Boston, MA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 09-25-2018 08:02 PM
Looking at some of these names and some come to me from past conversations with Charlie. - Nassau Bay Baptist Church microfilm prayer. Religious charm for Dick Boushka.
- 1 flag packet for ? [Sandy] Ludy Benjamin
- 2 flags for J.H.Kirby
- 1 gold charm for Victor Hasselblad
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David Carey
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Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 09-26-2018 11:31 AM
This is great stuff. Larry - thank you for pointing out what I looked past twice. Kept seeing "Sandy" but was looking for "Ludy" or probably more for "Benjamin." Similar to your personal Apollo 16 flag in the thread referenced below, I have a flown Texas A&M patch/lunar-surface US flag presentation dedicated to Bob Finlay (TAMU '38). Bob's daughter Priscilla married Ludy Benjamin Sr.'s son, Dr. Ludy Benjamin Jr.. Don't know if the US flag came from Ludy Sr.'s listed pack or Charlie's set of 350 but the "Ludy" on the LM PPK list adds to the story and possible sources. Certainly, Ludy Sr. was the relationship connection behind the gift to Bob Finlay, confirmed in a nice conversation with Ludy Jr. some years ago. The only patch mentioned in the lunar PPK is for the AFA. While Charlie knew/certified the US flag as surface, he was unsure if the A&M patch was on Casper or Orion. I'd now presume the former by omission from the list. Good to know. |
bruce
Member Posts: 918
From: Fort Mill, SC, USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-26-2018 03:13 PM
I remembered something that Alan Bean told a group of us at Kelsey's while we were having dinner at the 2012 Astronaut Scholarship Foundation weekend. This is copied from my "Recollections" of that weekend in my binder. We decided to go to Kelsey's Italian Restaurant next door and get some real food. We were joined by Leon Ford and Dee O'Hara. After a short while later, Larry McGlynn joined our table, just as Apollo 12 Moonwalker Alan Bean was walking our way to an empty table. We respectfully invited Alan to sit with us, but he declined saying he was too tired and just wanted to have a quiet meal. Interestingly, he sat less than 6 feet away from us at a booth within earshot of our table's conversations. After a brief discussion about the (then) recent Congressional ruling, which was signed into law by President Obama, regarding the right of astronauts to keep their flown mission mementos, and in noticing that astronaut nurse Dee O'Hara was sitting with us, Alan started joining our conversation. At one point, Bean said "You know, we took all kinds of things with us. I even had a ring someone had given me and when I got back, I couldn't remember who'd given it to me and no one ever claimed it. It's been sitting in my safe deposit box ever since the flight." I'd be curious if that ring is mentioned in Alan's PPK list. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 43684
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-26-2018 03:29 PM
Bean's LM transfer PPK manifest (as included in another Heritage lot) lists a "silver diamond ring with blue stones." |
garymilgrom
Member Posts: 1966
From: Atlanta, GA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 09-26-2018 06:46 PM
Superb document, thank you. |
Daniel on the Moon
Member Posts: 354
From: Bronxville, NY
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted 10-02-2018 09:41 AM
One minor correction from me. Charlie had two charms from me (Dan) rather than three. |
Rick Mulheirn
Member Posts: 4219
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-28-2020 02:52 PM
While musing on line during lock down here in the UK I stumbled across this thread once again.After acquiring a surface flown Apollo 16 beta cloth from Charlie in 2002 I was surprised to discover no beta cloths on the list. So I sent Charlie a copy of the hand written PPK list. While the list is certainly very interesting for the record it is not complete. Rick, Thanks for the link you sent me from Collectspace. I don't know where that list came from. It is my signature but not the complete list. I added several items as we approached the flight. I carried 25 (Apollo 16 beta cloths) and kept all of them when I returned. They were stowed in the CM for the flight to the moon. I transferred some of them over to the LM as we began our power up in lunar orbit. This was done with several light weight items. I have about half still in my collection. To the best of my recollection the Beta patches were suggested to me by the crew systems guys so they were added at the last minute since it didn't effect the weight but by a few Oz's. Charlie. |
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