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Forum:	Space Explorers & Workers
Topic:	Astronaut Clay Anderson's post-NASA career

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<table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width="600"><TR><td bgcolor="#000000"><TABLE BORDER=0 cellpadding=4 border=0 cellspacing=1 WIDTH="100%"><TR bgcolor="#660000"><TD COLSPAN=2><CENTER>T O P I C     R E V I E W</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Hart Sastrowardoyo</TD><TD>In an <A HREF="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111104/NEWS/311040058/-1/SPORTS12/Astronaut-confident-NASA-will-rebound-from-limbo-" TARGET=_blank>interview</A> with the Des Moines Register, Clayton Anderson says he doesn't think he will fly again. <BLOCKQUOTE>He had some choice words for Mission Control about space station procedures and life, and the bosses didn't want to hear it, he said."They told me I was too candid and blunt with Mission Control and others, and that my skill set did not match long-term space missions," Anderson said...He has logged 167 days in space, including 38 hours outside the space station on six space walks.Now, Anderson is helping other astronauts prepare for missions, with one eye on other jobs. He isn't sure whether he'll stay at NASA."I've been taken off active status," said Anderson, an Omaha native who considers Ashland, Neb., his hometown. "I've been made a management astronaut," supporting other astronauts' missions, he said.</BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>chappy</TD><TD>Its seems that NASA is not listening to the astronauts on safety, health, etc. Whenever the astronauts criticise anything then they (the astronauts) are removed off the active status by the management. I think it's being harsh by these so-called management, because they don't like being told do they?I believe astronauts do have rights to say something if they are not happy about it. They (the astronauts) are the ones that fly the machine, not the management! Clayton being removed off the active status is being harsh. Do you think this is right or wrong?</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Delta7</TD><TD>It's typical government Modus Operandi. Rule #! of self-preservation: do NOT make waves. Sad, but fact.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>AJ</TD><TD>Seems like we've seen this repeatedly over the years, sad to say. You'd think management would actually want to take into account the opinions of the astronauts. But old habits die hard and alas, we've seen that in many cases management doesn't want to change unless it absolutely has to.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>dtemple</TD><TD>If management is truly that unreasonable about the opinions of the astronauts then there will almost certainly be another horrific accident like Challenger and Columbia - both of which were entirely preventable.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>moorouge</TD><TD>Any accident is preventable - with 20/20 hindsight. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work with this ability. Very sad, but true.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>issman1</TD><TD>One need only read the book "Dragonfly" to know that if NASA astronauts are too blunt that is effectively the end of their flying careers.Having watched recent pre-flight, in-flight and post-flight press conferences you hear the same dull answer to reporters questions as if NASA astronauts are too afraid to be candid.It could explain why some astronauts have never flown or just once or twice before retiring (Charles Camarda comes to mind). I sympathize with Mr. Anderson, but at least he has options with commercial companies if NASA is too cumbersome and restrictive.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Skylon</TD><TD>I seem to recall some observing he was rather blunt on the air-to-ground loop during his ISS flight. At least he still had a shuttle flight after flying an ISS expedition (STS-131), so whatever he said, it didn't totally ruin his shot at going up again. His comments also have me wondering about the large number of "management" astronauts, with, at the moment, no clearly defined role. Are these just the astronauts who are not eligible or not interested to fly ISS missions? If short duration missions became available could they suddenly find themselves "active" again? </TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>mjanovec</TD><TD>Did Clay Anderson ever say if his disagreements with Mission Control were over issues of flight safety? For all we know, he may have disgreed with them over more mundane issues such as when the crew ate their breakfast. Sometimes being blunt isn't a good thing, if one doesn't pick their battles very wisely. And let's face it, some astronauts may simply be difficult to work with.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Robert Pearlman</TD><TD>The Des Moines Register interview describes Anderson's objections as follows: <BLOCKQUOTE>He had some choice words for Mission Control about space station procedures and life, and the bosses didn't want to hear it, he said.</BLOCKQUOTE> From what I recall listening to him during his time aboard the station, his contested exchanges with the ground were about logistics and scheduling.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>dogcrew5369</TD><TD> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Skylon: His comments also have me wondering about the large number of "management" astronauts, with, at the moment, no clearly defined role.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Could the larger number of "management" astronauts coincide with the height limitations of the Soyuz? I haven't looked into anyone's height, but there is a height limitation. I know Massimino would be out of luck. </TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Jay Chladek</TD><TD>I've had some talks with Clay. A few of them were interview related and some are private. As such, I am NOT going to reveal the contents here. I have no knowledge of what he said to Mission Control either and honestly I had no idea about his Des Moines Register interview either until now (even if I did, I couldn't say much anyway).I got the feeling though that from just after 131, Clay likely knew it was going to be his last flight just looking at the numbers. His own path to becoming an astronaut was a classic example of "never give up" as he sent his application in a record number of times before being accepted and was in the process of looking for a new job when he got an interview for the 1996 class. He didn't get the job in 96, but he knew his shot at the 98 class was excellent and the rest was history. As it is, he has treated ALL his time as an astronaut at NASA as a priviledge and an honor (as do the rest of the candidates for the most part who joined up). If he had a blunt fiery nature, I doubt he would have gotten a flight. Maybe such a nature properly channeled would have gotten him a flight sooner. But his ISS expedition was delayed when one of the Russian cosmonauts assigned to his crew had a heart attack and got medically discharged from the program (meaning the crew got re-assigned) and Columbia didn't help matters either. He did a great job on orbit though and his accomplishments speak well of his career, from flying with two Russians with whom he had hardly trained with and the three of them getting along quite well to performing a staged EVA with Fyodr.With having no knowledge on what he discussed with mission control, I do not believe it was anything safety related. So I would stow speculation on that avenue right now. I also do not believe it was anything on the grand scale of an Apollo 7 mutiny either, for those who might think it was something THAT big to warrant a grounding.It "may" (and using may in quotes because as I said, I have NO knowledge on what was discussed) have been in regards to the training cycle for an ISS long duration mission as the current cycle has it at three years typically with about half of that taking place in Russia (and Clay was in that cycle longer due to the crew shakeup and Columbia). To my knowledge, it remains that way for both first time flyers and veterans. One might think if the vets have been through it before that their cycle might be cut back a little. But nope, all that training has to be done again, whether it soaked in last time or not and regardless of the mission goals. This can put a strain on families as typically the wives and kids can't move to Russia when an astronaut heads over there, except for maybe a two week vacation trip.From that standpoint, with Clay likely thinking in the back of his head that two missions was going to be it for him, he likely approached certain topics in discussions with Mission Control with typical midwestern Nebraskan bluntness. People in my part of the country respect honesty on certain matters and with Clay being raised here, he has that trait. So he brought up what he felt he needed to bring up rather than trying to hold back and hope for a flight that would likely never come anyway. So, if "hypothetically" he were to say he would consider training for an ISS flight if the training cycle were shorter, than you of course know what the response would be when they have plenty of astronauts who have not flown yet itching to do what they can to get a seat.Knowing Clay, he probably doesn't consider this a setback though and even though he now knows he won't fly again, he will throw everything behind his training responsibilities until retirement. Don't forget he was a NASA employee out of college (and he did internships before that), so he has seen a lot from 1982 onwards. He can retire with a full civil servant pension in a couple years and his wife has been at NASA a long time as well. He knows the NASA system at JSC as well as anybody and he isn't an outsider who has been brought into the astronaut corps.Whatever comes after NASA, I know Clay will be successful at what he does. In this state, he has the noteriety of being the first Nebraska native to become an astronaut (which in this state makes him a bit of a celebrity). But, knowing Clay, he isn't going to take a job just on name recognition. He'll find something where he can use his talents to their fullest.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Hart Sastrowardoyo</TD><TD>Is Clay Anderson retiring? Saw <A HREF="https://twitter.com/Astro_Clay/status/291201565279285249" TARGET=_blank>on Twitter</A> he had a cake for his "last spacewalk" in the NBL, as well as lots of well wishes.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Robert Pearlman</TD><TD>From Clay Anderson on <A HREF="https://twitter.com/astro_clay" TARGET=_blank>Twitter</A>: <BLOCKQUOTE>Calling all Tweeps. Guess you know now that I have decided to retire after 30 years with NASA. It's been an awesome ride!Ask you continue to follow and be part of my next adventure; whatever it turns out to be. Will be speaking and finishing my book! Stay tuned...and thanks!Realized today after 30 years; 15 as an astronaut, 15 as an engineer. Symmetry is kind of cool! Last day is January 31, 2013.</BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Hart Sastrowardoyo</TD><TD>Yes, he will <A HREF="http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Nebraskan-astronaut-Anderson-confirms-retirement-4222867.php" TARGET=_blank>retire</A>:"Anything is a possibility," the 53-year-old Anderson said. "No doors are closed."He and his family will remain in Houston for now, he said, but they could move back to Nebraska. He's looking forward to finishing a book he's been writing for several years, and he will do some more public speaking.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Jay Chladek</TD><TD>Yes, he will retire as the story made it into the <A HREF="http://www.omaha.com/article/20130125/NEWS/701259903/1016" TARGET=_blank>Omaha World Herald</A> yesterday. The Federal Government has authorized NASA to offer early retirement as an option for some who qualify and Clay decided to take that option. </TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Robert Pearlman</TD><TD>NASA release <BLOCKQUOTE> NASA Astronaut Clayton C. Anderson Leaves Agency<div align="justify">NASA astronaut <A HREF="http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/anderson-c.html" TARGET=_blank>Clayton Anderson</A> has retired from the space agency. Anderson flew in space twice, first in 2007 as a flight engineer for Expeditions 15 and 16 aboard the International Space Station, and finally as a mission specialist on STS-131 in 2010.Anderson began his 30-year NASA career in 1983 as an engineer in the Mission Planning and Analysis Division at Johnson Space Center. He was selected as an astronaut in 1998. He trained as a backup crew member for Expeditions 12, 13 and 14. He most recently served in management and as space station Capsule Communicator (CAPCOM). Anderson conducted six spacewalks and has more than 167 days of spaceflight experience."Clay will certainly be missed in the Astronaut Office, especially for his technical expertise. His combination of shuttle, station long duration, and spacewalk experience was extremely valuable to us," said Bob Behnken, chief of the Astronaut Office. "We wish him continued success in future endeavors, and know he will continue to captivate whenever and wherever he shares his spaceflight experiences."Anderson holds a Master of Science in aerospace engineering from Iowa State University, as well as a Bachelor of Science in physics from Hastings College.</div></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TABLE></td></tr></table>

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