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Topic:	Apollo 11 patches of various manufacture

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Your Reply: HTML is ON UBB Code is ON Smilies Legend	[QUOTE]Originally posted by J Blackburn: [B] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Liembo: [b]Some are better than others, some are fairly crudely made. I do not know the manufacturer of any of the following, which is a shame, as a few are nicely made, particularly #2.[/b][/QUOTE] The third from the top is an Eagle Crest.[/B][/QUOTE]
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<table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width="600"><TR><td bgcolor="#000000"><TABLE BORDER=0 cellpadding=4 border=0 cellspacing=1 WIDTH="100%"><TR bgcolor="#660000"><TD COLSPAN=2><CENTER>T O P I C     R E V I E W</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>moorouge</TD><TD>Does anyone recognize this patch (found on a New Zealand auction site) as to when and by which company it was issued?<center><img src="http://www.collectspace.com/review/moorouge/assorted_apollo11.jpg" BORDER="0" WIDTH="400"></center></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>moorouge</TD><TD>Some time ago I read that an Irish collector had 28 versions of the Apollo 11 patch. Gene Dorr shows seven on <A HREF="http://www.genedorr.com" TARGET=_blank>his site</A> and Chris Spain has 13 variations on <A HREF="http://www.edgeofdarkness.com" TARGET=_blank>his site</A> including the 'Cadbury' patch which is shown elsewhere in this forum. To these may be added the one shown in my previous mail from New Zealand. So what are the missing ones? Can anyone add anything please?</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>spaced out</TD><TD>This patch looks like a 3" version, is that correct?</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>moorouge</TD><TD>Sorry don't know the size. It wasn't stated on the web site. If it is a 3", how many versions of these were made and would their addition account for the grand total of 28 claimed?</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>benguttery</TD><TD>This patch looks smaller than 3 inches. Perhaps 2 or less. Almost looks like a scouting award patch.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Dougin SoCA</TD><TD>I've picked up three of the Apollo 11 mission patches along the way (all over 15 years ago). Here are scans of all three, I was just wondering if any of them were more unique or valuable than the others (not expecting any of them to be of any real value). I'm sure they are among the most replicated patches ever made. It's interesting how different they are. Thank you for your input.<center><a href="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/hpgiswom/Patch1.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/hpgiswom/Patch1.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a><a href="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/hpgiswom/Patch2.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/hpgiswom/Patch2.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a><a href="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/hpgiswom/Patch3.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/hpgiswom/Patch3.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a></center></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>moonnut</TD><TD>I'm wondering if this patch is rare or not? I tried finding it online on a site that showed a lot of the versions. I could not find this exact one. I know we have some patch masters on cS so thought that I would ask. It is a pretty high quality patch. Here is a picture of the front and back of it. Thanks again, I appreciate all of the input.<center><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/98543590@N06/9324572010/" target="AirLock"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/9324572010_347221b527.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/98543590@N06/9324573028/" target="AirLock"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3723/9324573028_a3245996aa.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a></center></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Gonzo</TD><TD>Moonnut — As a collector with an interest in Apollo 11, I have about 18 variations of the Apollo 11 patch itself (not counting duplicates). And that's just the Apollo 11 patch. With the others that go with it (First Lunar Landing, Lion Brothers' "Bird Watcher" series, commemoratives, a bullion version, anniversaries, etc.), I currently have between 45 and 50, just for or related to Apollo 11. As far as that patch goes, I've seen it, but don't have an example just yet. From when I've looked at it, I would venture to say that it's a modern replica of the AB version. The background stitching is what gives that away. When you add that to the stitching style and lack of colors elsewhere on the patch (the colors in the craters of the moon for example), it would lead me to believe it's a replica of the well known AB version, not by AB itself. Have you tried putting it under a UV light? If any colors light up there, it's a dead giveaway that it's modern. They didn't start using fluorescent enhanced threads/colors until the mid-late 80's, if I recall correctly. (Check Chris Spain's website - crewpatches.com - to confirm if you'd like.)</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Liembo</TD><TD>Apollo 11 seems to have the overwhelming number of variations and knock-off patches, that is for sure. I have been trying to document as many as I can for the <A HREF="http://www.spacepatchdatabase.com" TARGET=_blank>Space Patch Database</A>, including purchasing a few of my own which helps make for clearer scans. Below are a a few other modern Apollo 11 patches I've acquired from auctions. Some are better than others, some are fairly crudely made. I do not know the manufacturer of any of the following, which is a shame, as a few are nicely made, particularly #2. All of the patches below were scanned with the same pass so their comparative colors should be accurate:<center><a href="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-0b.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-0b.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-1b.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-1b.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-2b.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-2b.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a><a href="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-3b.jpg" target="AirLock"><img src="http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/apollo-11-variation-3b.jpg" width="400" border="0"></a></center></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>mode1charlie</TD><TD>Does anyone have any information on the 6" embroidered Apollo 11 patch now listed on eBay as item 321153269002? The seller has several for sale; I purchased one and it's well done but I have no information on it whatsoever. Is it modern or vintage? No idea.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Robert Pearlman</TD><TD>See this discussion: <A HREF="http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/003779.html">Apollo 11 Bullion patches</A></TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>mode1charlie</TD><TD>Ah. I was traveling when that thread happened. Thanks.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>J Blackburn</TD><TD> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Liembo: Some are better than others, some are fairly crudely made. I do not know the manufacturer of any of the following, which is a shame, as a few are nicely made, particularly #2.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The third from the top is an Eagle Crest.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>Gonzo</TD><TD>I have a red bordered Apollo 11 patch that appears to be an AB Emblem patch that I've never figured out where it came from. Any suggestions on it? </TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Gonzo</TD><TD>Perhaps pics would help?<center> <IMG SRC="http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg591/gonzobman/A-11-Red-Front-small-1.jpg"> <IMG SRC="http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg591/gonzobman/A-11-Red-Back-small-1.jpg"> </center> I understand that part of the front is not filled in (near Earth), but in all my years of collecting, I've never seen a red bordered one like this. Anyone have any ideas?</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>spaced out</TD><TD>I've just added an image of the Lion Brothers Apollo 11 3 1/2" Masonic symbol patch to my CrewPatches site.This is the first example of this patch I have seen apart from the one shown in the black and white photo of the 3" and 3 1/2" speciality patches from the RetroSpaceImages disc.I'm not sure at this point if the owner intends to sell the patch but I'll mention it here if he does. Needless to say I will be advising him to list it as an auction without a buy-it-now option.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>BlueHalo</TD><TD> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gonzo: I have a red bordered Apollo 11 patch that appears to be an AB Emblem patch that I've never figured out where it came from.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The red merrowed patch is called a Kedge or Kirk Edge patch. The late Bob Kirk and three others who worked with him used to grab up and buy 50 gallon drums of over-runs, error, typos, missing embroidery type patches and would put a finished edge on them. Every patch they ever made or finished had some issue with it. They always used a color that was not the original merrow color so "certain" collectors in the circle could easily identify these types of patches. And off they went into unsuspecting collectors hands.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>spaced out</TD><TD>I'd never heard of that but it would likely explain the yellow bordered Apollo 9 and silver bordered Apollo 15 AB Emblem patches that turn up occasionally.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Gonzo</TD><TD>Very interesting and thanks for the info!I've never heard of Bob Kirk and his crew, but it's interesting to find the answer to this patch. I've had it for a while, always with a question on why the red border. Now I know and will mark it accordingly in my collection.Thanks again for solving this mystery!</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>BlueHalo</TD><TD>Well you learn a few things, the people and what they have done from being in the business over the years. Glad I could shed some light on things like that.</TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#494949"><TD valign=top>Liembo</TD><TD>I think <A HREF="http://www.ebay.com/itm/261357174334" TARGET=_blank>this</A> may be another Bob Kirk selvedged patch. The Apollo 16 patch in this auction has a white border. </TD></TR><TR bgcolor="#333333"><TD valign=top>BlueHalo</TD><TD>Liem, I believe you are correct. In just about every case where a "Kirk Edge" or "Kedge" patch shows up there is always something wrong with the actual patch itself. They are all errors and/or rejects. Look at the left side of the vertical red bars. They are incomplete on the bottoms. If you study the patches and know what they are supposed to look like, you will always find the missing or corrupted embroidery in it.Most runs (especially those manufactured on a Schiffly Embroidery machine) back in the day were manufactured with a 10% to 15% over-run. So when they finished them by adding the substrate backing and merrowed edges the client would be guaranteed through quality control their quantity of the ordered run. The over-runs, errors, incomplete, rejects, bird-nested patches etc., were discarded. </TD></TR></TABLE></td></tr></table>

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