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T O P I C R E V I E WMSSTomIn the two o'clock position of the patch, there are two (Russian) letters and the number 8. What does that signify?It couldn't be manned Soyuz missions to ISS, since this will be the 10th one... six Expedition crews and four taxi crews.KSCartistIt refers to the eighth visiting crew. But it actually means the Vittori "Mission".TomEighth visiting crew? I'm trying to figure out what constitutes a "visiting crew".This will be the 11th expedition crew. The sixth (EXP) crew delivered by Soyuz... there were five by shuttle. There were four "taxi" crews.Where does the "8" come from?KSCartistMy guess based on what John told me is to check how many ESA astronauts have conducted their short (during handover) missions. Kuipers, Duque, etc. Since the TMA patch is designed mainly for the third crewmember aboard the Soyuz for launch.BenThere were four taxi crews where all three aboard went up and down.But this is the eighth Soyuz exchange. This constitutes a taxi mission too, but only Vittori is a 'taxi' member while the Shuttle is not flying.Mike IsbellWhich Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2?Robert PearlmanThis patch was missing from the crew's Sokols this evening. Where does this leave the status of this patch?KSCartistI feel for the guy who designed that patch. His art made it to the "official TMA-6 crew portrait" but because Sergei likes Pachenko's design it doesn't make it to launch.Of course there was similar confusion for TMA-5. We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC.Robert Pearlman quote:Originally posted by KSCartist:We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC. During tonight's docking, the original TMA-6 patch (as opposed to Krikalev's design) was clearly visible on display at the front of the TsUP (Russian Mission Control), next to the Exp. 10 patch and the ENEIDE mission logo.KSCartistMaybe all Krikalev agreed to do was launch with Pachenko's TMA-6 patch. For those of us who collect it will mean obtaining both (just to be sure).Glad to see the original TMA-6 being utilized.Jacques van Oene quote:Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:...clearly visible on display at the front of the TsUP Does somebody has a good clear photo for me of that patch in TsUP?MSSHere is only movie from MCC-M. Soyuz solar batery at center picture!Good looking at original movie from RTR TV programe...Robert Pearlman quote:Originally posted by Mike Isbell:Which Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2 ? Received from a reader: There was a question regarding what constitutes a "Soyuz Visiting Crew." The Russians have been using this nomenclature for years, generally to describe crews who are not a long-duration "Expedition" crew. For ISS, it is a crew that delivers a new Soyuz and returns on the old one. If memory serves, Mir visiting crews included the Europeans and others who flew on Soyuz exchange flights, and also the U.S. astronauts who flew as part of Phase 1 (and were delivered/returned by Shuttle, and tended to overlap Mir Expedition Crews): VC1 - Musabayev, Baturin, Tito (TM-32/2S up, TM-31/2R down)VC2 - Afanasyev. Kozeev, Haignere (TM33/3S up, TM-32/2S down)VC3 - Gidzenko, Vittori, Shuttleworth (TM-34/4S up, TM-33/3S down)VC4 - Zalyotin, DeWinne, Lonchakov (TMA-1/5S up, TM-34/4S down)VC5 - Duque (TMA-3/7S up, TMA-2/6S down)VC6 - Kuipers (TMA-4/8S up, TMA-3/7S down)VC7 - Shargin (TMA-5/9S up, TMA-4/8S down)VC8 - Vittori (TMA-6/10S up, TMA-5/9S down)
It couldn't be manned Soyuz missions to ISS, since this will be the 10th one... six Expedition crews and four taxi crews.
This will be the 11th expedition crew. The sixth (EXP) crew delivered by Soyuz... there were five by shuttle. There were four "taxi" crews.
Where does the "8" come from?
But this is the eighth Soyuz exchange. This constitutes a taxi mission too, but only Vittori is a 'taxi' member while the Shuttle is not flying.
Of course there was similar confusion for TMA-5. We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC.
quote:Originally posted by KSCartist:We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC.
Glad to see the original TMA-6 being utilized.
quote:Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:...clearly visible on display at the front of the TsUP
Good looking at original movie from RTR TV programe...
quote:Originally posted by Mike Isbell:Which Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2 ?
There was a question regarding what constitutes a "Soyuz Visiting Crew." The Russians have been using this nomenclature for years, generally to describe crews who are not a long-duration "Expedition" crew. For ISS, it is a crew that delivers a new Soyuz and returns on the old one. If memory serves, Mir visiting crews included the Europeans and others who flew on Soyuz exchange flights, and also the U.S. astronauts who flew as part of Phase 1 (and were delivered/returned by Shuttle, and tended to overlap Mir Expedition Crews): VC1 - Musabayev, Baturin, Tito (TM-32/2S up, TM-31/2R down)VC2 - Afanasyev. Kozeev, Haignere (TM33/3S up, TM-32/2S down)VC3 - Gidzenko, Vittori, Shuttleworth (TM-34/4S up, TM-33/3S down)VC4 - Zalyotin, DeWinne, Lonchakov (TMA-1/5S up, TM-34/4S down)VC5 - Duque (TMA-3/7S up, TMA-2/6S down)VC6 - Kuipers (TMA-4/8S up, TMA-3/7S down)VC7 - Shargin (TMA-5/9S up, TMA-4/8S down)VC8 - Vittori (TMA-6/10S up, TMA-5/9S down)
VC1 - Musabayev, Baturin, Tito (TM-32/2S up, TM-31/2R down)VC2 - Afanasyev. Kozeev, Haignere (TM33/3S up, TM-32/2S down)VC3 - Gidzenko, Vittori, Shuttleworth (TM-34/4S up, TM-33/3S down)VC4 - Zalyotin, DeWinne, Lonchakov (TMA-1/5S up, TM-34/4S down)VC5 - Duque (TMA-3/7S up, TMA-2/6S down)VC6 - Kuipers (TMA-4/8S up, TMA-3/7S down)VC7 - Shargin (TMA-5/9S up, TMA-4/8S down)VC8 - Vittori (TMA-6/10S up, TMA-5/9S down)
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