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|BMckay||I am helping a gentlemen who worked in Burlington, MA for RCA during the Apollo program up to around the early 70's. He was awarded a Silver Snoopy for work on the Landing Radar but can't find any of the certificates or pictures to help tell when he received it. I did see a picture of Jim Irwin presenting it to a group but their was no date on it.|
So can anyone help out and give me some history on the Silver Snoopy so I can help this gentlemen? Maybe if we can get a time table he can find his supporting documents.
That is a neat little pin!
|spaced out||Send me an e-mail with the guy's name and I'll check it against a list I have. It's not exhaustive but you may be lucky.|
|Robert Pearlman||NASA also maintains an online database that includes Silver Snoopy awards that were presented at the time of Apollo (for example, there are 358 records for Silver Snoopys awarded between January 1, 1968 and January 1, 1973).|
|spaced out||That's the list I have a copy of, and unfortunately the name doesn't appear there. I believe the list is far from exhaustive.|
|willisdj||I have recently obtained a Silver Snoopy pin with no paperwork, but I'm fairly sure who it was awarded to and when (late 60's - early 70's). However, with no paperwork or certificate, there is no way of knowing what flight it was flown on (they were all flown?). Is the any reference or database out there with that kind of information? Thanks in advance.|
Editor's note: Threads merged.
|wmk||I recently acquired a Silver Snoopy pin from the personal collection of Jim McDivitt (see photo below).|
I'd like to know if there are there different versions of these pins or have they remained the same over the years? Is there anyway to determine what time period a particular Snoopy pin is from (without any paper work or recipient's name)? Were all of them flown? Were any flown during Apollo?
|Robert Pearlman||Answering your questions in reverse order:|
Were any flown during Apollo?
Apollo 7 was the first mission to fly Silver Snoopy pins and all subsequent missions flew them.
Were all of them flown?
I can't speak to the Apollo era, but I am told by Silver Snoopy recipients today that if you lose your original pin, which was flown, it is replaced with a pin that was not flown. In other words, all pins as first presented were flown.
Is there anyway to determine what time period a particular Snoopy pin is from (without any paper work or recipient's name)?
Not to my knowledge, but I haven't had an opportunity to compare an Apollo era pin with a shuttle one.
|mickapp||I am the proud recepient of a Silver Snoopy Award given to me by Al Worden and was told that it could only be present by Astronauts.|
|spaced out|| |
Originally posted by mickapp:
I am the proud recepient of a Silver Snoopy Award given to me by Al Worden and was told that it could only be present by Astronauts.
You can be proud indeed. Out of interest, could you tell us which mission the pin was flown on? I believe the accompanying letter is the key there, as the astronut making the presentation was not necessarily from the flight in question.
|spaced out|| |
Originally posted by wmk:
I'd like to know if there are there different versions of these pins or have they remained the same over the years? Is there anyway to determine what time period a particular Snoopy pin is from (without any paper work or recipient's name)?
I've been able to compare a late Shuttle version with an Apollo-era version and there are differences in the design.
It's possible to tell from the fronts which is which, although the difference is subtle. The hallmark on the back is completely different.
What would be nice is to see the backs of known examples from Skylab, ASTP and STS-1 to see when the design changed.
|Steve_Colby||One of many items from Harold French's collection.|
|kochmt|| I received my Snoopy Award back in late 1969 for my work at KSC on Fuel Cells. The letter was addressed to me at P&WA & signed by Alan Bean but undated, which was odd. I was part of the KSC launch team assigned to the NASA/NA Fuel Cell Group & during launches I was in the Space Craft Control room. As far as I know, only P&WA, AC Electronics & Beech were the only vendors assigned places in the room during a launch sequence. |
|spaced out||I've just added a page to my Space Flown Collectibles site dedicated to NASA's Silver Snoopy Award.|
I've discovered that there are many variants of the Silver Snoopy pin, and all those I've identified so far are illustrated on the site.
Obviously the list of different variants is limited by the small sample of pins I've been able to see to-date. I know there are collectors out there with Silver Snoopy pins from other missions, so hopefully this page will prompt them to take a look at the backs and get in touch with me so that we can fill some of the gaps in the list.
|spaced out||A Silver Snoopy pin with full paperwork set what must surely be the record for a Shuttle-era example yesterday with this sale on eBay hitting an amazing $2,720.66!|
|davidcwagner||A Silver Snoopy with no paperwork (unflown) sold for $612.50. Why so much?|
|spaced out||If that is an Apollo-era pin then the price is fairly standard for one without docs. It would be assumed to be flown, despite the description.|
If NASA really did give out unflown Silver Snoopy pins to visitors, as suggested in the description of this lot, then that would change a lot of things. Not least it would have seriously undermined the significance of their own MFA award scheme if they handed out identical pins like candy.
If the winner of the pin is a cS member I'd appreciate seeing a close-up photo of the back of the pin when they get it.
|spaced out||I've just updated the Silver Snoopy page of my Space Flown Artifacts site to split the identified pin variants into three groups - those with the lower-case "r" Robbins hallmark, those with the upper-case "R", and the exceptions.|
I can't stress enough that the number of clearly-dated pin examples is so small that we cannot confidently tie any particular pin style to a particular flight or date range at present.
If we had one pin from every Apollo flight that might give us a clearer picture but it would take several from each to start gaining any real confidence.
Even then it's possible that examples from one batch of pins may have been carried on multiple flights, being mixed with examples from a new batch on the last of the flights.
The recent case of pins coming from what appears to be un-awarded surplus stock shows that things can get even more complicated as we can never say for sure if these pins were yet to be flown or were flown but not awarded.
All this goes to highlight the fact that the only pin you can be reasonably confident was flown on a particular mission is one with the accompanying award certificate and letter, or one sold by an astronaut with accompanying LOA.
|davidcwagner||Were the Snoopy pins flown with the clasp or pin attached? Seems easier and lighter to pack without the clasps and pins. Ever see any bare back Snoopy pins? Any info?|
|spaced out||Following the recent flood of Silver Snoopy pins I've updated the page on the site once again to added another distinct group of pins - those that don't have a Robbins hallmark.|
I've now seen three distinct variants that share this characteristic and it's clear that they also all have a couple of specific design differences on the front, as I explain on the updated page.
I realize that the information presented in terms of variants is still a mess but for now there just aren't enough examples with solid ties to particular missions to allow us to draw better conclusions or to start getting a better idea of the chronological order of the variants.
We're still at the point where most of the new pins that appear on the market turn out to be new variants.
As more pins surface (hopefully with solid documentation) I'm sure we'll eventually start to make some sense of it all.
|tnperri||Any idea the value for a non-Robbins variety Snoopy?|
|spaced out||There is not really a going-rate for Silver Snoopy pins, although the recent flurry of possibly unflown pins went for around $600 each (with some maybe being sold direct for less).|
The pins without the Robbins hallmark are currently a mystery. Maybe we will one day discover they were unflown pre-production samples. Maybe we'll find they were made for a particular set of missions and thus likely flown on those missions.
Given these unknowns it's impossible to say how much an example 'should' be worth.
|prpeter||I have a photo of John Young presenting a certificate and Silver Snoopy award to me as related to Skylab at the Michoud Plant, New Orleans, La. The photo is dated 02-21-73. The certificate is undated, but addresses me personally. My daughter currently has the Silver Snoopy, so I am unable to provide detail at this time. |
|spaced out||If you do get a chance to photograph the front and back of that pin sometime I'd love to see the images to see if it matches any of the known types identified on my site and to add it if not.|